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3/29/2013 1:10:12 AM
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It's the antidote for empty chatter that communicates approval.
"This"
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Yep. It feels nice to show approval of something without actually commenting...
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Just so you get a notification for it: [quote]Since it won't let me reply to DeeJ without crashing my mobile browser, consider this to be at DeeJ: If you think that the current Like System solves the "This" problem, you don't understand the "This" problem. If it werent for my distinctive avatar, people still wouldn't know it was me expressing my nonverbal agreement for a post. Also, nobody else knows that I'm expressing my nonverbal agreement for a post, so I still have I say "This" to express it. The current system is better than nothing, but t could stand to be improved.[/quote]
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Not everyone has that same need for attention, though. I'm perfectly content "liking" posts in lieu of a "this" post, most of the time, when I don't also feel the need to bump whatever it is I'm liking.
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It's not a need for attention; it's annoying as shit when people make it sound like wanting a "liking" system is purely for an ego boost. Get over yourself. Obviously you want people to see that you post something or you wouldn't post it. Likewise, liking a post has next to no point if it isn't displayed in some way. Right now, people who see that you like their post can't even see that you like it. Liking things in the traditional fashion works on so many different websites, forums, social networks, etc. and the fact that people here want to keep everything the same, pure, sterile, and, quite frankly, boring, is just idiotic.
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[quote]It's not a need for attention; it's annoying as shit when people make it sound like wanting a "liking" system is purely for an ego boost. Get over yourself. [/QUOTE]Maybe I was unclear. I'm not saying that wanting a liking system is for an ego boost. I'm saying that continuing to post "this" -- when that liking system exists and could be used instead -- is done purely for ego/attention-need reasons. You pretty much confirm that with your post here: [quote]If it werent for my distinctive avatar, people still wouldn't know it was me expressing my nonverbal agreement for a post. Also, nobody else knows that I'm expressing my nonverbal agreement for a post, so I still have I say "This" to express it. [/quote]Your whole beef is that they won't know it was YOU who liked the post. The distinction I was drawing is how I am content with using the like system in lieu of "this" posts, and that I am content if my like is aggregated with several others in the user's notification and the user is unaware that I, specifically, liked his post. He will see that [i]someone [/i]did, and that like will also affect the popular sort order, and I am satisfied with those outcomes.
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I also liked your post!
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While I get your point, I still have some gripes: 1. I would like to personally know who liked my post, let alone how many people liked my post (which, believe it or not, the notification system does not actually do). 2. The point of "this"-ing something on B.old was not to make it more "popular" or move it to the top of a thread because that's not how it worked, yet people still did it, yeah? Why? Because they wanted to express their public, nonverbal agreement with a post. If they wanted to just do it to the post-maker, they could've PM'd them; it's just as easy. 3. Simply moving something up on the "popularity" list still leaves a lot to be desired. I have no idea how popular something is in relation to everything else. If the average post in a thread has 10 likes and one of them has 20 likes and is at the top, I won't know because the average post could have 0 likes and that one has 1. The same goes for threads. It's basically a pointless system right now because it doesn't let me know that something was popular, it just lets me know that, at the very least, one person in the near past enjoyed or supported this post.
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[quote](which, believe it or not, the notification system does not actually do).[/quote]Just to be clear, I know. It does tell you when people like posts, though, and if several people do, those likes stack into a single notification. That stacking is what I was referring to. On point 2, I'd argue that in a way it did. A series of people "this"-ing a given post ensured that said post was very visible throughout the thread, which increased its visibility to newcomers to the thread -- a very similar outcome to increasing the popularity ranking. I know that when I made "this" posts back in the day, this was one of the main reasons I did so -- to ensure than a comment or idea I found interesting or favorable was seen and considered by others. Also, you're in no place to be claiming to know the reason for all the other B.net users' "this" posts. On point 3, why does it matter? One is > zero just the same as 20 is > 10. And, if you sort by popularity in the thread listing, you'd probably see the 10-average thread above the zero-average thread. So you can see, as you desire, relative popularity -- in fact, it's all you can see.
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1: It doesn't, actually. [url=http://www.bungie.net/7_Calm-the--blam--down/en-us/Forum/Post?id=59872489]This thread[/url] got a lot of likes over a series of days. Every day, I would get a new notification that said something like "5 people liked this post" or "7 people liked this post" or "2 people liked this post" and in that order. It only compounds a certain amount of likes over a period of time from what I can tell. 2: [quote]Also, you're in no place to be claiming to know the reason for all the other B.net users' "this" posts.[/quote]While what you said makes sense, it most definitely was not just to let the OP know they liked their post or else they would've just PM'd them. 3: Because it's still nice to know how popular a given idea or post is. If something is on top of any given thread, I don't know how popular it is in relation to other threads, or how popular a thread in one forum is to another. Can you think of a reason NOT to have the numbers listed right there? Obviously they're compounded somewhere so it's just a matter of showing them on the post.
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1. You have confirmed exactly what I was saying. I said they stack, and you're telling me they stack. I never said they stack well, or usefully, or into a single notification. Just that they stack. 2. I never asserted that people made "this" posts solely to let the OP know they liked their post, so I'm unsure why you're arguing against that idea here. 3. A reason? Sure: they're inconsequential clutter with minimal utility to most users. I suspect (but do not know, of course) that most people don't care if post #5 in thread X is more or less popular than post #7 in thread Y, as you seem to want to compare. A reason you agree with? Probably not.
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Well, I for one am one of those people who would like to know how many likes something has, in fact, I'd say most anyone who posts or lurks these forums and is a math/numbers type of person would have at least a passing interest in seeing a numeric value of the popularity of any given post. just my two cents.
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1. Sorry, misunderstood what you were saying. 2. I said that because thats what I said in the post before, and you wondered why I was able to tell why people "this"'d things. So I explained my reasoning for that one point. 3. "Clutter"? Hardly. Obviously you can make the indicator as small as you like and the fact that people don't care or feel empty without it doesn't really matter. People can get along without it fine. We've been getting along without a Preview Button since January, but it'd still be a nice thing to have.
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1. K. <3 2. My bad on that one. 3. Like I said, I probably can't come up with one you'd agree with. :-)
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3. Probably. I understand the "we don't need it, don't waste the web team's time with it" mentality (not that that's what you said, I'm just assuming that's what you mean with it having "minimal utility" to users, thus not very useful). I've felt that way about a few things like friends lists. I just, obviously, disagree on this one. I should've acknowledged that that was a good reason (that I happen to be refuting) in my post.
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Correct me If I'm wrong, but you cannot see if someone has liked another person's post. The whole point of the "this" thing is so everyone knows that you agree. I'm not saying we should add the "this many uses liked this post", but they're different.
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Fine, "likes posts**
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But you haven't cured anything. The same clutter still exists to bias the discussion, but you've simply given it a different form. In fact, not only have you given it a different form, but you've also empowered this clutter, so much so that threads are now structured around it, with your "best response" being a prime example. Enjoy being the champion of fools.
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This.
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nailed it
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Really? I thought it replaced quoting someone's reply as yours on Bungie.old.
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Spot on. BOOM! You've got nothing to say to that now, do ya?
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^ This.
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[quote]^ This.[/quote]
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[quote][quote]^ This.[/quote][/quote]
