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originally posted in:Sapphire
3/11/2013 6:36:07 PM
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How can a pro-life person even do anything about feminism? All feminist organizations are pro-choice, so I cannot support them for that reason.
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Why is everyone ganging up on Max? I agree with him. Abortion is wrong. If you aren't mature enough to take care of a child then don't take the risk. And I know someone will respond saying "But what if they are -blam!-?" Ok, well put the kid up for adoption, that's a perfectly good alternative. @Shaka, a miscarriage isn't God's fault. He doesn't really interfere down here anymore after the whole Jesus event so how would you think it is him that is making that child die? That's like saying God caused Hurricane Katrina or the Sandy Hook shooting.
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It's more the issue of he literally said he will not support the cause because of one issue that he doesn't even have to agree with in the long run and just left it at that That'd be along the line of me saying something like "Well not all non-white people are Catholic so I just can't support racial equality groups" (I'm not Catholic, that was an example) And, IIRC, those subscribing to the Christianities believe that everything is a part of Gods plan, including all the bad uncomfortable things like miscarriages that nobody within those religions like to talk about.
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No, I won't financially support any organization that is pro-choice, that is what I was saying.
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Except you didn't say that at all, so you came off as "-blam!- women" sux2bu
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Edited by Seggi: 3/14/2013 11:54:50 AMWhat does whether or not the woman 'took the risk' that resulted in a pregnancy have to do with whether or not that person should be able to abort? I can't see how that could possibly make sense unless you subscribe to some sick deontological philosophy wherein pregnancy is some kind of punishment for unprotected sex (or a failed contraceptive). It's kind of like saying that gay men with AIDS deserve to die for leading promiscuous lifestyles.
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[quote]It's kind of like saying that gay men with AIDS deserve to die for leading promiscuous lifestyles.[/quote]There are lots of people who believe that, I think. Pretty sick if you ask me.
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[quote]That's like saying God caused Hurricane Katrina or the Sandy Hook shooting.[/quote]Some say he did. In my eyes, their opinion is just as valid as yours.
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Well, women have the right to choose to abort if they want to, regardless of whether or not you think it's wrong. I'm not a huge fan of abortion either. I like to think that I'd never have one. But what if my life were in danger if I tried to carry a baby to term? What if I faced severe psychological trauma if I kept the pregnancy? (This is a legit thing that happens to some women.) What if a woman just isn't ready for kids? "Don't take the risk" is a hugely fallacious argument - not only is not all sex consensual, but some people [i]do[/i] take every possible precaution and still fall pregnant. Adoption is not always a possibility for all mothers, and can be hugely time-consuming, expensive and traumatic for all involved. Abortion is a reliably safe medical procedure that can not only save lives, but can greatly improve quality of life as well. There is no evidence that we're destroying someone's soul when we abort a tiny cluster of cells that bears absolutely no resemblance to a living human being other than the presence of some chromosomes. I understand not being a personal fan of abortion, but there is absolutely zero reason to believe that anyone has the right to legislate against it. Don't want one? Don't have one. But you don't have the right to tell other women what to do with their bodies.
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[quote]Don't have one. But you don't have the right to tell other women what to do with their bodies.[/quote]If what they are doing involves murdering another innocent human being for their own convenience, you damn well better believe I have a right to speak out against them. Abortion is a crime against humanity and it should not be legal for any reason short of danger to the mother's life, period.
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Aborting a bunch of cells with, as I said, basically no resemblance to a human being, is not murder. :P
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My jimmies = rustled!
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>Implying that people (specifically teenagers) will adhere to logic >Implying that this is an easy decision for people to make if put in the position >Implying there aren't legitimate medical reasons for abortion >Implying adoption is as easy as you assert it is >Implying that my comment was supposed to be taken literally
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Edited by Seggi: 3/13/2013 4:05:14 AMYou don't have to support a feminist organisation financially. Thinking about it, talking about it and [i]doing it[/i] are the first things we should all be aiming for.
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I'm definitely on board for women's rights even though I'm also against abortion 100%.
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yeah -blam!- all womens rights because of one issue lol
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One issue that is a thousand times more important then all the others.
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More important than sexual violence, female genital mutilation, Malala Yousufzai being [i]shot in the head[/i] because she was a little girl who believed that women deserve the right to an education, girls in Africa being raped because of a folk belief that men can cure HIV by raping a virgin, the sexual violence rates amongst American women being one in four and amongst Native American being [i]three in five[/i]...?
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First of all, I'm not talking about Africa, I'm talking about North America. The issues women face in the first world pale in comparison to the [i]millions[/i] of innocents that are [i]murdered[/i] every year through abortion. I'm not saying women's issues in the first world don't matter, but I am far more concerned with ending the slaughter of innocents before ending income inequality.
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You mean the less-than-millions of embryos completely devoid of personality, feeling or consciousness that women have the right to abort if they are physically or psychologically unready to have children are more important than the rampant inequality facing women the world over (yes, including the third world, which does exist and in which inequality kills far more women than abortions "kill" blastocysts in America)?
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I do not agree with your stance on abortion, so there's not much further to be discussed.
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YFW God performs more abortions than any doctor ever will
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That's called a miscarriage, not an abortion. And God is not responsible for it, nobody is.
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MFW miscarriage is also known as spontaneous abortion
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lol holy shit you're on drugs there are still countries where women can get sentenced to beatings or death for having immoral sex because a dude -blam!- them and that's a horrible thing that's worth ignoring or countries where fathers will splash their daughters faces with acid to make them unappealing to men, or where the father would be the one -blam!- them and then punishing them for having sex But -blam!- all of that, right?
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Why are we talking about third world countries all the sudden? I'm not talking about Africa, I'm talking about North America.
