[quote]If a crime has no victim and the only reason it is illegal is because a significant amount of people disagree with it morally, find it disgusting, or find it offensive, should it be legal? (Note: [b]Illegal drug use does not count.[/b] The user and the many people who are harmed/killed because of the market and practice can be considered victims.)[/quote] I disagree with this statement. A few of you are saying that drug use does increase crime, or harms people. If the laws regarding this crime were nonexistent, then these victims would not exist either (for the most part). It is the same with Prohibition; when the USA placed a ban on alcohol, it increased the crime and the number of people harmed simply because the alcohol was illegal. People did believe alcohol increased crime before then, and they thought they would experience a drop in crime rate if they'd banned it. They were [i]wrong.[/i] When the US lifted the ban, organized crime dropped, due to the fact that no law was there to be broken. Less people got hurt. Conversely, the law is actually the crime: it's victimizing people. The 'War on Drugs' is incarcerating many non-violent "criminals" when they are harming no one, making them not-really criminals. These people are the victims: the ones that aren't harming anyone, and simply wish to do what they want (which they are entitled to as human beings as long as they don't hurt anyone else). Now all of these drug cartels, yes, they are criminals, but only because the law enables them to be. Without that law, they wouldn't need to hurt anyone to get the marijuana they want. Don't get me wrong though, they would probably still be around 'til after drugs are legalized (if they ever are). They still might kill people to get and sell drugs, albeit at a significantly reduced rate. Killing people for what you want has existed for probably since all of time. Just look at oil, even entire countries war for the stuff. The same is destined to be true for drugs, alcohol, and other things. If the 'War on Drugs' did not exist, organized crime rates would be dropped significantly. It's a bit ironic, isn't it? The law [i]is[/i] the crime.

I. Feel like you're talking about bestiality if so yes it should be illegal

Yes... Nevermind... Just wanted to say that some people might enjoy certain "crimes" against them.

Pirating movies, software, video games, music has no victim. It should be legal.

The law should reflect the views of society.

There are no truly victim-less crimes. If there were, they wouldn't be crimes in the first place.

Show me a victim-less crime please.

If it TRULY has no victim, then I think yes. If there is a high probability of there being a victim, then it shouldn't be legal. Like drunk driving or speeding. Prostitution? There's not really a victim there. Weed? There's not really a victim there. Marrying a 12 year old? NO, there is a victim there; the 12 year old can't give consent. Kiddie porn? NO, there is a victim there; the kid can't give consent and therefore didn't give consent. Legalize hard drugs? NO, there is a victim there; it's been statistically proven that hard drug use increases crime. Crime has victims.

Is a 30 year old super model having sex with a 14 year old boy a victimless crime?

I'm struggling to think of any crime that doesn't negatively affect somebody in some way.

[quote](Note: Illegal drug use does not count. The user and the many people who are harmed/killed because of the market and practice can be considered victims.)[/quote]One could easily argue that the market practice is the way it is because they're illegal.

*Assumes OP is probably talking about lolis* *Reads thread and lols almost waking up roommate* OP lolicon isn't considered illegal. It is a grey area of the law. As far as I am aware someone with strictly loli images/videos/ect has never been put in jail as a result. The only cases I know of are those people with cp and lolis. Also considering most of the sites I go to with hentai just say their ad companies don't want it on their site I imagine I am correct.

Drug use certainly does count. Using drugs does not grant someone the ability to infringe on the rights or freedoms of another, they are still responsible for their actions. The harm COMES from prohibition.

Can anyone tell me what happened before OP edited the post?

So... from what I've gathered; OP likes to jack it to Lolis and shota and is mad that it isn't legal. Okay then. *backs away from thread*

But weed don't hurt anybody, man.

All drugs and prostitution should be legalized. People can do things at their own risk without the government holding their hand through life. Like Ron Paul said, if heroin was legalized, how many of you would start doing heroin? None of you.

[quote]Note: Illegal drug use does not count. The user and the many people who are harmed/killed because of the market and practice can be considered victims[/quote]That's -blam!-ing stupid. Eating meat should be illegal, since it harms animals. Buying a car should be illegal, since they harm the environment What a remarkably stupid note.

OP is a pedophile who promotes child pornography

If nobody finds about it then it's not really a crime.