TTK’s aren’t changing for anyone unless you’re bad and can’t hit crits. Lol.

Oh, well you should know about being bad. You don’t have one character that’s above even 1760. Lol.

You would too considering you have a negative overall KD

You would too considering you’re an AOS spamming idiot

Ya know it 😘 Favorite gun since Taken King and I don’t plan to stop 😜 so just keep seething about it, my friend

Oh yes, I’m fuming. How did you know I give more than two shits about your weapon?

I dunno maybe cuz you mentioned it in the reply before this? Didn’t know you had dementia too man you should get that checked

Oh, so I mention your spammy weapon and immediately you think I’m your biggest fan… the world doesn’t revolve around you bud. I think you have the classic case of over inflated ego.

I dunno man you’re the guy getting upset about a new light and my favorite weapon choice, seems like you are obsessing a bit too much about other people tbh Also it’s ironic that you call Ace of Spades spammy considering you have Rose equipped which is just as good

I normally don’t use Rose to be fair… I don’t get what the Slideshot hype is if I’m being honest. I use Hawkmoon if that makes you feel better

Tbh I agree I think you need to pair the slideshot with opening shot for Rose to be at its full power because that little timer thingy on opening shot resets every time you slide Pairing this with a 100 recoil direction and a stability stat of at least 68 (as weird as it sounds, it’s the sweet spot on hand cannons- trust me) makes it hit shots like it’s nothing Other than that- Rose is pretty much just better off with any of the other neutral game perks that can roll on it

[quote]that little timer thingy on opening shot resets every time you slide [/quote] Wait, for real? [quote]Other than that- Rose is pretty much just better off with any of the other neutral game perks that can roll on it[/quote] Yeah, I just don’t like how hard it is to get high stability. On paper, the weapon does not have good stats. I mean, my Hawkmoon is sitting at 60 range and a whopping 85 stability with a very generous 75 handling. And Hawkmoon has no bloom so consecutive shots paired with insane stability feel incredible. Meanwhile, my ideal god roll Rose has Small Bore and Heavy Grip and still only has just over 60 Stability. Sure, it has a ton more range and stability while sliding, but realistically, you’re only having Slideshot procced for one or two shots in a gunfight. I think if Rose rolled with Ricochet it would be a game changer, but for me, HCs need to have really good stats because they’re already great dueling weapons. That’s why I use HCs like Igneous, Hawkmoon, Fatebringer, and other stat monsters. And on top of all this, Rose is super difficult to get a god roll of, so missing just one or two things off your god roll can be super detrimental.

[quote] Wait, for real? [/quote] Yeyeyeye! I remember it used to be VERY strong on Waking Vigil back when that was a 150 RPM hand cannon because it would kill so quickly and do the aiming for you [quote] Yeah, I just don’t like how hard it is to get high stability. On paper, the weapon does not have good stats. I mean, my Hawkmoon is sitting at 60 range and a whopping 85 stability with a very generous 75 handling. And Hawkmoon has no bloom so consecutive shots paired with insane stability feel incredible. [/quote] That’s understandable, I don’t really use Hawkmoon too much (I’ll yoink it out of the vault once in a blue moon if I’m feeling frisky) and one of the things I notice is that it feels really crispy in the way it shoots Plus, I think everyone can agree that it’s one of the coolest sounding guns in the game hands down I’m curious as to what trait your’s has tho so what might that be? [quote] Meanwhile, my ideal god roll Rose has Small Bore and Heavy Grip and still only has just over 60 Stability. Sure, it has a ton more range and stability while sliding, but realistically, you’re only having Slideshot procced for one or two shots in a gunfight. [/quote] [quote] I think if Rose rolled with Ricochet it would be a game changer, but for me, HCs need to have really good stats because they’re already great dueling weapons. That’s why I use HCs like Igneous, Hawkmoon, Fatebringer, and other stat monsters. [/quote] Seems like you have a good idea in mind there, especially if you plan to use it as a more duel centric weapon which, like you, is what I think of hand cannons are supposed to be (I’d say the Rose thing I mentioned is more like an opening pick type of roll- for example, catching an enemy off guard and spamming your slides so you can keep refreshing opening shot) They quite literally exist cuz we Hunters were like “well the old gunslingers of the west used revolvers to tame the wilds so why can’t we?” Rest was history Though, funnily enough, you mentioned Fatebringer and how you enjoy it but if I’m going to be honest- I suck with that gun I am not sure why and I really have tried to use it and like it but I just [i]cannon[/i]t for the life of me Igneous is something I hugely enjoy tho! Definitely up there as one of my top favorites and, if it weren’t for the Not Forgotten I put my blood, sweat and tears into, it would probably be one of my most used energy weapons Plus that firing sound it has 😩 So yeah, I think you got good ideas on what hand cannons ya use! Just keep in mind the thing I mentioned about 68 stability believe me the difference is noticeable! Also another one I recommend is a crafted Austringer if you can get your hands on it! Banshee and I think Xur as well will occasionally sell them and you can use the deep sight harmonizers on them to get the pattern! It’s slightly more handsome twin, Eyasluna, is also good (I like it more than Austringer tbh but I’m not sure why- just feels better to me for some reason) but lacks craftability and an origin trait [quote] And on top of all this, Rose is super difficult to get a god roll of, so missing just one or two things off your god roll can be super detrimental.[/quote] Oh yeah agreed, I really do like how it has such a diverse range of perks but that also comes at the detriment of making the task of getting exactly what you want very difficult I wonder if there was some way Bungie could implement a perk focusing system without it being insanely powerful or on the level of crafting Maybe they could add back the re-rolls that Banshee could do in D1Y1? Not sure tho (Apologies if this message is a bit long- I have a very deep passion for the silly space revolvers of this game- 😭)

[quote]Yeyeyeye! I remember it used to be VERY strong on Waking Vigil back sehen that was a 150 RPM hand cannon because it would kill so quickly and do the aiming for you[/quote] That’s insane… I’m gonna have to pick up some old Opening Shot rolls I guess and take em for a spin. [quote] That’s understandable, I don’t really use Hawkmoon too much (I’ll yoink it out of the vault once in a blue moon if I’m feeling frisky) and one of the things I notice is that it feels really crispy in the way it shoots[/quote] I’ve noticed that the trick is not to go for one taps. If you get just one kill (a 3 tap), dump your mag down to 2 shots, and the next person you can 2 tap. It’s actually busted. Or if you really want one taps, make sure to use holster mods. As long as it never fully reloads, it will keep your charges but still reload bullets back. So if you’re at like 4 stacks and you only have two bullets left, just toss it in the holster and reload a few bullets and get back to farming for the one tap. [quote]Plus, I think everyone can agree that it’s one of the coolest sounding guns in the game hands down[/quote] For sure. Especially the “CAW CAW!” when you have a one tap… sends shivers down the enemy’s spine. [quote]I’m curious as to what trait your’s has tho so what might that be?[/quote] My roll is Small Bore (best barrel), Smooth Grip (best grip), and Opening Shot. Opening Shot is hands down the best perk. Ask anyone. The point of it is because Hawkmoon has low base range, Opening Shot will help substantially. So you hit your first shot which is: 1. going to be super easy because of the bonus accuracy and aim assist 2. going to have a ton of range Now, as long as you hit a headshot (which shouldn’t be hard with Opening Shot), you’ll get a Paracausal Charge. Thanks to the catalyst, this will immediately help to give you more range. So the gist is that Opening Shot helps when you have no Paracausal, and it also helps a ton if you have a one tap ready. [quote]They quite literally exist cuz we Hunters were like “well the old gunslingers of the west used revolvers to tame the wilds so why can’t we?” Rest was history[/quote] Exactly… nothing cooler than the cowboy fantasy. That’s why The Last Word is so iconic. [quote]Though, funnily enough, you mentioned Fatebringer and how you enjoy it but if I’m going to be honest- I suck with that gun I am not sure why and I really have tried to use it and like it but I just [i]cannon[/i]t for the life of me[/quote] There’s something weird with it. I don’t know. It feels like it has less stability than it has on paper. Like my Eyasluna has 65 and it feels like it has way more than my Fatebringer which has over 70. Still a fun weapon tho, and an absolute stat monster. [quote]Igneous is something I hugely enjoy tho! Definitely up there as one of my top favorites and, if it weren’t for the Not Forgotten I put my blood, sweat and tears into, it would probably be one of my most used energy weapons Plus that firing sound it has 😩 So yeah, I think you got good ideas on what hand cannons ya use![/quote] I haven’t used NF. Never got it, and I hear it’s still pretty good, I just never really got around to it. But yeah, Igneous is gross. I have a Tricorn roll that has been slaying this season. I just got Round Robin today actually, and I’ve already got some gross 2 tap clips. Imo, it feels better than my Igneous. My Iggy of course has much better stats and shoots trucks (the hitboxes feel huge), but I don’t know, the Round Robin is just really fun. [quote]Oh yeah agreed, I really do like how it has such a diverse range of perks but that also comes at the detriment of making the task of getting exactly what you want very difficult I wonder if there was some way Bungie could implement a perk focusing system without it being insanely powerful or on the level of crafting Maybe they could add back the re-rolls that Banshee could do in D1Y1? Not sure tho[/quote] Yeah, it would be cool if you could do like a perk re-roll. Not focusing, but you could randomly re-roll both of your perks (not just the one, we still have to have some RNG c’mon) for a few Prisms. It would certainly help normal weapons compete with crafted ones a little better.

Honestly man, I think we got off on the wrong foot at first and I apologize for my initial rudeness! You’re a really chill guy and seem to have a fellow enjoyment of hand cannons which is nice to see! I hope you have a great day, friend :)

[quote]Honestly man, I think we got off on the wrong foot at first and I apologize for my initial rudeness! You’re a really chill guy and seem to have a fellow enjoyment of hand cannons which is nice to see! I hope you have a great day, friend :)[/quote] I completely agree. I was a -blam!- in the beginning shouldn’t have been hating on AOS considering it just got nerfed pretty hard and it’s not even a toxic weapon. I’m glad we were able to have a nice conversation about HCs and I learned a few things along the way! You have a good one 👍

I started playing like 3 days ago. Lmao. Even so, I have enough reading comprehension to understand the upcoming PvP patch notes to realize the changes affect no one but those of low skill level who can’t hit crits. Lmao. But nice “own” homie. 🤣😂

[quote]I started playing like 3 days ago. Lmao. Even so, I have enough reading comprehension to understand the upcoming PvP patch notes to realize the changes affect no one but those of low skill level who can’t hit crits. Lmao. But nice “own” homie. 🤣😂[/quote] So if you’ve only been playing for 3 days, then shut the hell up. You have no experience, therefore your opinion has no value. You want to talk about hitting crits? Fam you have like 4 weapons. I’ve got more kills on my least used weapon then you’ve got total. “Owned” homie.

You have a 0.95 k/d with 657 crucible hours played. Your opinion means nothing and has no value. Imagine being this bad and thinking you’re an authority on PvP. LMAO. I the weapon you have the most PvP kills with is a shotgun. So basically I’m right, you’re a bad player that crutches on special and can’t hit crits so you’re here crying. LMAO. You don’t even have a comp ranking bro. At least be good if you’re going to come here and run your mouth. 😂🤣😂🤣

[quote]You have a 0.95 k/d with 657 crucible hours played. Your opinion means nothing and has no value. Imagine being this bad and thinking you’re an authority on PvP. LMAO. [/quote] You don’t even have a single character that is above 1770 and your characters have unmasterworked armor and blue weapons. Stfu. Your opinion means nothing and has no value. Imagine being this bad and thinking you’re an authority on anything besides the topic of “How To Be An Idiot.” [quote]I the weapon you have the most PvP kills with is a shotgun. So basically I’m right, you’re a bad player that crutches on special and can’t hit crits so you’re here crying. LMAO.[/quote] Ah yes, I’m a Hawkmoon/various 120 user who has a sniper/shotty as my secondary. Such a crutch. My HC shots are literally more accurate than ZKMushrooms (a very big streamer, go to crucible report and look at the stats). I clearly have such bad aim and I crutch. [quote]You don’t even have a comp ranking bro.[/quote] Wrong, I’m Plat. Bet you aren’t. Must be tough to get there when you’re unranked and have blue gear 🤣 [quote]At least be good if you’re going to come here and run your mouth. 😂🤣😂🤣[/quote] At least be worth insulting if you’re going to pick a fight.

Stop hiding your comp history. Stop lying lil man. You know we can see your stats right. You have over 1k more shotgun kills than your top primary. Plus your hand cannon crit accuracy % is 60%. Lmao. But sure, you’re better than a top .1% player with your sub 1 k/d. You can try and bring up my gear or power level all you want. Doesn’t change the statistical fact that you’re trash at PvP. Don’t worry. Keep at it. I’m sure you’ll get a positive k/d one day. Oh wait, probably not because the PvP changes won’t let you crutch special and spam body shots all day. 🤣😂🤣😂

[quote]Stop hiding your comp history. Stop lying lil man. You know we can see your stats right. You have over 1k more shotgun kills than your top primary. Plus your hand cannon crit accuracy % is 60%. Lmao. But sure, you’re better than a top .1% player with your sub 1 k/d. You can try and bring up my gear or power level all you want. Doesn’t change the statistical fact that you’re trash at PvP. Don’t worry. Keep at it. I’m sure you’ll get a positive k/d one day. Oh wait, probably not because the PvP changes won’t let you crutch special and spam body shots all day. 🤣😂🤣😂[/quote] Lol you sound like a child. I’m sure you’ll do great with those blue weapons. You want to talk about “statistically this” and “statistically that” when you literally haven’t even played PvP in this game. How are you going to talk about HC crit accuracy when you literally have yet to fire one at an enemy player. Get the -blam!- out of here you salty noob.

Lol. “You sound salty”. Who says that anymore. Lmao. I’m not the one trying so desperately to defend my sub 1 k/d, hiding my comp game history all while claiming to be better than a top .1% PvP player. You think just because I’m just starting to play D2 on PC, I haven’t played Destiny before. Lmao. I could literally pull blue weapons from collections and play better than you. Lmao. Stop being delusional kiddo.

[quote]Lol. “You sound salty”. Who says that anymore. Lmao. I’m not the one trying so desperately to defend my sub 1 k/d, hiding my comp game history all while claiming to be better than a top .1% PvP player.[/quote] 1. Igaf what “people say anymore.” 2. You’re taking a negative K/D way too seriously considering you’ve never played PvP. 3. I’m not hiding my comp game history. I’m a Plat and you’re out here saying I’m unranked. It doesn’t matter if I had a 3.0 KD and could 1v3 every game, you’d still be the same little salty noob. 4. Never said I was better than him. Stop misreading things little noob. In a 1v1 gunfight, he would 100% win. No doubt. He would probably win a 2v1 against me. He’s all around a much better player. He has better movement and strafing and he can crouch spam better. But on paper, I’m still more accurate. [quote]You think just because I’m just starting to play D2 on PC, I haven’t played Destiny before. Lmao. I could literally pull blue weapons from collections and play better than you. Lmao. Stop being delusional kiddo.[/quote] “Kiddo.” “wHo sTiLl sAyS tHaT aNyMoRe?” You’re a salty little newbie and you’re clearly jealous. Quit coping little noob.