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7/27/2022 8:24:42 PM
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Yeah, NO...
I'm not about to carry a bunch of low lights through a GM that 30, 40, 50... light below.
The required power is there because your already at a disadvantage and if you were able to play at a lower light level you'd just get 1 shot by everything and enemieswould basically be immune to your attacks.
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Bro just make the requirement less
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I honestly don't think 1585 is too much to ask for. So long as you hit the pinnacle cap each season (which is pretty doable so long as you log in and play 10-15 hours a week) you have like a month - month in a half to grind 20 artifact levels before GMs are even available.
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Edited by Lyricx93: 7/29/2022 12:53:21 AMI don’t think you quite understand OP’s point or suggestion. So this seasons cap is at 1570. I think he’s asking for the minimum requirement to be dropped but still keep it as difficult (Albeit he did say it rather poorly and did say just make it harder for underleveled players but let’s just say that came from an irrational point of frustration) . So let’s say that the minimum requirement was dropped to 1550 with the contest mode activated there, making it so the enemies are 1575. You would still be capped at 25 levels below with the same level of difficulty but the need to obsessively grind power just to access the content would be removed, which would make it more accessible to all players who want to play them. The problem isn’t that there is a minimum requirement it’s just that said minimum requirement is too lengthy to obtain for the vast majority of players who quite frankly don’t have enough free time to get there. There is a way it would work and work extremely well. It just requires some objective critical thinking from bungie on who they want to cater to, do they want to make the majority of players happy or just the elitists?
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No I understand what he is saying, he simply wants the required power cap removed. That's why he mentioned that it would make the game more difficult if you play a GM while below the power cap. What you said makes sense but is different from what the OP is saying. Ultimately he is ranting because he is 6 levels below the required power level, despite having another month to reach that level.
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Gm has contest mode, meaning it locks your light level to 25 below the level of the enemies. Your light level actually makes no difference mate.
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*I meant at best 25 under, not atleast*
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I know that, what I'm saying is imagine a bunch of people who are 30 or 40 light below (instead of 25) trying to run gms
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At this point I question what's the point of power level if you're always locked below enemy level. Just change them into difficulty levels like good old times, playing from easy/normal to insane/crazy difficulty. No pointless power grinding just to play GM
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Edited by IcyShogun: 7/27/2022 9:18:27 PMContest mode locks your light level to 25 under, regardless of your light level. Everyone that enters the activity will be set to 25 light level under, whether they're under levelled or overlevelled.
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Technically it's not contest mode, and even still contest mode doesn't boost you up to that 25 level threshold it only locks it so that your ATLEAST 25 under. I've played with people who where 40 levels below on contest mode and let me tell you, the enemies were basically immune to their attacks as they were doing such little damage compared to everyone else in the fireteam and basically everything one shot them.
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OP is suggesting Bungie remove the light level requirement for GMs. With the light level requirement removed, contest mode will simply lock everyone to 25 below the enemies, regardless of actual light level. There won't be anyone that's 30 to 40 underlevelled.
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Then your team would all have to be exactly the same power level going. Now you must be 1585 and it caps everyone at 1585. There has to be a set power level.
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It locks you so that your max 25 under, however you can still be further below the power level. The power cap is there to stop people who are over leveled from breezing through and add a layer of difficulty. If they removed the required power level, then you could join 30, 40, or 50 levels under light. Again the power cap doesn't boost you up to the max minimum power it's just there to keep you from being over powered. This is why in contest mode you can go in under leveled, however you deal significantly less damage and take significantly more damage vs people who are at the recommended level which is 25 under.
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Sigh. Contest mode can bump you up to the required level if Bungie wants it to. You're just thinking about contest mode for raids. No one is talking about that. The leviathan area, for instance, caps you at 1570, regardless of your level. It bumps you up to 1570 if you're underlevelled and caps you at 1570 if you're overlevelled. OP is asking for a similar system for GMs. Is that really that difficult to comprehend?
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[quote]Sigh. Contest mode can bump you up to the required level if Bungie wants it to. You're just thinking about contest mode for raids. No one is talking about that. The leviathan area, for instance, caps you at 1570, regardless of your level. It bumps you up to 1570 if you're underlevelled and caps you at 1570 if you're overlevelled. OP is asking for a similar system for GMs. Is that really that difficult to comprehend?[/quote] It doesn't cap you at 1570. It brings you up to 1570 only if you are below.
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Let me phrase it this way, You can run a master nightfall 50 light below the recommended power level. So why would bungie make it so that you gain a power bump if your under leveled for a GM? GMs are pinnacle endgame content so why would they make it easier by boosting your power level if your under leveled?
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Because master nightfalls don't lock your light level. You deal and take more/less damage, depending on your level. A GM doesn't allow that, meaning the level is pointless, everyone is locked to under 25 below the enemy's power level. Having a light level requirement for GMs does nothing other than force you to grind pinnacles every season to be "GM ready".Does that clarify things for you?
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Your the one who needs clarification; The required power level IS NOT the same as the power cap. The power cap means that you CANNOT exceed the max minimum power (which is 25 under the recommended power) This means you can be under the 25 level max minimum power cap. Just like in Cotest mode. Even if it did give you an artificial boost, like we saw with the leviathan patrol area or artifact power, your weapons will still deal significantly less damage and you will still take significantly more damage due to under leveled armor. There has been plenty of testing to show this is true.
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You won't have any issues if the required power level is set to the base power level, ie 1350. You're basically picking an execution of OPs idea that fits your agenda.
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At 1350, then what's the point of a challenging endgame content? Sounds to me like you just want premium loot handed to you rather than earned. Also what I'm say is what bungie already has implemented so it's not my idea it's the game. Either learn to play or quit complaining. The OP wants the required LL removed because he is salty that he isn't high enough power level and doesn't realize the consequences of what would happen if bungie dropped the required power limit.
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You still have to play the GM to get the loot -blam!-. The GM is going to be just as challenging because of contest mode. It isn't going to get any easier. What this eliminates is the grind just to get "GM" ready. Are you seriously that daft that you can't grasp such a simple concept?
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You can't have both contest mode + drop the base required power to 1350. This is contradictory and unless you intend to make GMs drop your power to 1325, so that your still 25 under the power cap of 1350. What your saying makes no sense. "Remember kids stay in school."
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who's forcing you to carry people who are 30, 40, 50 below LL? it makes zero difference to you if they allow it as u just simply dont play with them... and yet it still opens the door to people who are just under the LL requirement... stupid way to look at it m8
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Yeah I know you can control who joins in your fireteam, however dropping the light requirements is going to result in a lot of lfg posts with low lights clogging up the apps. Not too mention occasionally you might not be paying attention and let a low light join or join a post with a low light and this will just result in carrying dead weight. Remember: roughly 1/4 of the community is pretty lazy and are just looking for an easy carry. Look at trials, there are tons of post every weekend saying "carry me". Raids and dungeons are similar with lots of posts saying, "looking for final boss checkpoint" Also you have 3 months to reach GM level, this is extremely easy to do so long as you log in a few hours a week. If you look at the OPs profile, he is just complaining because he is 6 light away and he still has 1 month to climb that difference.
