TLDR Judging by your title i'm just gonna say this: I've seen a lot of them in PVP and some folks just got carried/paid for it cause they sucked so bad that i don't believe they managed to get it themselves. Eeeeeeeeeeeeasy to counter! Then you have the sweats, which are good and deadly with those weapons but not immortal!! I mean, you have to play smart! Can't run up to him from across the map and expect to survive! I've seen so many people in pvp who either have no thumbs or no insights on corners/jumping/grenade usage/etc.. People need to watch more cammycakes for example.. Don't chase a shotgun behind a corner!!