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Edited by A_dmg04: 11/7/2018 4:15:21 AM
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I have been contacted by my Internet service provider after I got DoSed yesterday, how long will cheater problem be swept under the rug by Bungie?

We have been DoSed numerous times in the Crucible, I used to record and report every DoS but I have stopped doing that when I saw that no bans were ever issued even months after numerous reports with video proofs. Same with rapid-fire glitch macros cheaters (like [redacted]), [redacted] was banned by hand after popular Destiny YouTuber released two videos about him. If [redacted] was banned then we know that what he was doing is considered bannable offense by Bungie. But there is a cheater just like [redacted] in my connection who was doing it for over a year now without any ban. We match this cheater every day and we report him every day. That is why I can say with 100% certainty that in-game reports don't work, web form reports with video proofs and PGCR links don't work. Some time ago I have created a thread here about cheater problem, in two days it had over 200 up votes, filled with joy that maybe now something will be done, I have tweeted it to every Bungie developer I knew, just shortly after I did that, my thread was deleted! Here is the full story that wrote in response to that: https://telegra.ph/How-Bungies-forum-rules-have-led-to-game-breaking-exploit-being-in-two-games-for-3-years-and-counting-05-03 tl;dr: Bungie actively sweeps these issues under the rug for way, way too long. This is criminal. When I told about how Bungie handles cheaters to my ISP they were lost for words. I just don't how can Bungie be so incompetent at handling this issue, yet so good at hiding it. I love my ISP: they provide cheap, fast, reliable Internet with IPv6 support, home router with open source firmware, open NAT without double NAT, they are simply the best. But now I have to be on their bad side because of Bungie unbelievable, inconceivable, incomprehensible incompetence. My ISP told me that it was 12gb attack from a single IP address. Here is PCGR of yestertday's DoS: [links redacted] Look at that, a 4-stack of recoveries. Just let that sink in, Bungie is so incompetent that people can reliably DoS their way to 5500 without any account ban. Let. That. Sink. In. After DoS attack we logged back in and the game tried to reconnect us back, but as always it didn't work. It never worked even one time. Why was this feature added to the game if does not work at all? Level of incompetence from Bungie's security team is simply astonishing. It is insane that they could sweep this under the rug for so long and ignore the issue. After 5 000+ hours of D1 and D2 I hold opinion that people play Destiny because of reward system and they are forced to endure horrible balance, horrible PvP and cheaters who don't get banned. I think that Destiny 2, with the way that Bungie threats it, can be classified as psychological violence. Because we really need mental help after this incredible injustice that have to witness on daily basis. I know that I could easily inflict real act of violence if a member of Bungie security team were standing in front of me. After everything that me and my team had to endure in this horrible, horrible game [spoiler]when you have an ult attack in-game that can be countered only by jumping off the map your game should be considered horrible[/spoiler] that we keep coming back to because of the rewards. I get that it's hard to detect and ban all kinds of private cheats on PC, but I'm talking about PS4 and Xbox One console versions of Destiny 2. Consoles are secure, closed down platforms, where only couple forms of cheating exist: connection manipulation, DoS attacks and macros. It is simply incomprehensible that game as a Service, game that can be considered platform all in itself, cannot deal with this. A good developer would have disabled any competitive playlist until these issues are resolved, but Bungie just rolls with it and sweeps everything under the rug. I'm posting this again with Ninja edit, because previous post was silently REMOVED FROM INDEXATION so no one could find it or post there, but it would still accessible via direct link. They still actively sweeping it under a rug, this is crazy! Check it out yourself, here is the link to the old thread: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/249494026 Looks okay, right? But can you find it or post there?

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  • Last time they did anything about it if I remember correctly was when people started reporting directly to Microsoft instead of them.

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  • Watch out kids, another witch hunt on Cozmo. Also, I have NEVER been DDosed outside of a party. (on xbox). The only way they can get your IP (for cheap ddosers) is if you join there party.

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    • uh oh. interest fading.

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    • You right my dude

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    • Phycological violence. Lmfao!!! You need mental help for this incredible injustice? Wow dude, you really think you are the victim of some horrible crime. Lol maybe you should stop playing video games.

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      • Everyone can gain access to ddos, they just used the meta and you chose not to. Git gud

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      • sad to say but, they already got your money for d2, they do not care any longer

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      • Tell you what. Why don’t you let us know when your isp contacts Sony/Microsoft? Until that happens you’re wasting your breath.

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      • Where are all the cheaters people speak of tho? Are the only in comp?

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        • Edited by SWARTHOS PC: 11/6/2018 3:40:24 PM
          Ok, I think I answered my own question.

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          • Bump. This should stay on top.

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          • have you tried reporting it to sony or microsoft.

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          • I believe that cheaters are on this game, but there are some false claims being thrown around on this thread. The "reports" that you can find cheaters on a matchly basis is one of them. [spoiler]Gets 9999999999999999 replies in 5 minutes.[/spoiler]

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            • I went on a 9 lose streak then got a win which then i thought i need to go on a win streak then i got kicked for my connection which complete and utter crap my connection is made for stability so ethier i got Ddos or someone at bungie doesnt want me to win, maybe i should change my name to nkuch or kinggolithion or mesasean or my name is byf then maybe id get the prefferencial treatment, just on the off chance bungie see this post my psn is BigTimeScumBag

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              • Even more reason not to play those so called “competitive” modes. Why subject yourself to that frustration for a gun that, like others, will be taken from you eventually and you’ll have to re-earn it later. Enjoy that!!

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              • Ooooh so that's why I keep losing in pvp.. Cheaters. No, but all jokes aside.. I really wonder why you would cheat.. I mean, what do you really gain from it?

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                • Bump

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                • perhaps we federal enforcement of internet manipulation in action.

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                • Edited by Cool-Caution: 11/6/2018 1:38:11 PM
                  I run a small server have been DDosed 4 times (atlest 2times per person) sins D2 came out. As i run a small server i catch all packages, trace and i send a report with server logs, packages, trance, in-game video and so on. on to Bungie, Police, ISP and there local police and there ISP as this is an attempt hack on a server it is meet hard by the police in the UK. and could end up in jail time and or black listed for internet access.

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                • Edited by EvelynWarden: 11/5/2018 10:09:06 PM
                  (when and if a sequel is released) I won't be playing competitive modes if these same problems persist. My interest in the studio can only band-aid my growing discontent with how they handle the mode in its entirety. A friend compared Crucible to a box of socks to which you've lost all the pairs. Making it work with something partly correct (mismatched socks) isn't the same thing as having it right. As stupidly oversimplified as it sounds, it sums up how I feel about crucible. I've concluded for myself, whether or not it's true, that they aren't enforcing the bans: it would take a chunk out of their already dead player base, and inevitably, someone will be able to prove they were wrongfully penalized (even if they cheated) on a technicality, and the PR will send other players to the winds. Bungie is in a no-win, but I'm not feeling a ton of sympathy for it as it stands. There are and always have been alternatives.

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                • [quote] I know that I could easily inflict real act of violence if a member of Bungie security team were standing in front of me. [/quote] weird flex but okay

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                  • I am feelin with you all regular players. Even in competitions like the Rockstar Riots there seems to be no way of checking up if rules are met. a few day ago i wrote this Thread and it was edited by a freelancer moderator who said i wasnt code of conduct. He deleted a simple LEADERBOARD for the Riots bungie and Rockstar doing this weeks. I only wrote into the thread the allready publicicly available Leaderboard. can u imagine that beeing wrong? I am even myself on that Leaderboard List at 12th placed. But read for yourself, here you go: https://www.bungie.net/de/Forums/Post/249475976?sort=0&page=0

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                  • Also, there [i]must[/i] be some pattern of movement that can help detect XIM users. On WASD key setups, the movement from forward to back is a "digital" change. I know the XIM translates that to controller speak, but surely the program can see that the controller is regularly jumping values with no in-between like the controller stick would?

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                  • 300 likes, 200 replies and not one reply from a Bungie community manager. Not that the reply would be anything of substance, but I guess your right, they like to ignore it and sweep it under the rug. Good job Bunghole!

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                    • It will never stop. They dont care. A simple program to detecting fireteam numbers and flagging repeats would be easy. They dont care. Its has happened to me so many times i have quit chasing the luna. So many complaints, so many years

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                      • Not saying that cheating is not a real problem, it is basically the bane of any competitive game. Sadly I am not convinced that anybody/any company can make this process perfect aside from maybe an esports-level livestreaming with 10000s of eyes monitoring every movement. Remember the bad press Bungie got for doing banwaves on PC: https://kotaku.com/second-destiny-2-pc-ban-wave-has-some-players-crying-fo-1820194298 ? There are many posts on this forum : How I got Illegitametly banned because I am a software programmer, or I only was in a fireteam were as soon as I realized sth was fishy I left and so on. Now where do you draw the line in believing anything these "wrongly" banned users and the bad apples? Not trying to come up with excuses for Bungie, but that we as players might be a bit too naive about the situation here.

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