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My problem with economic socialism in the United States

Ok, so the few people on here that know me will recognize me as a pretty vocal socialist. For those of you that don't recognize me; I'm a pretty vocal socialist. Living in Washington State (which is a fairly pro-socialism state) the ideas behind socialism were always held as something to work towards. This was especially prevalent in the school system (both high school and college). My recent problems with socialism in the USA do not stem from a sudden dislike of the policies it entails, or because of how many people don't like socialism in the country as a whole. My problem with socialism (and by relation Bernie Sanders campaign [which let's be honest here is over]) is that outside of states which are very receptive towards it (Washington, Colorado, etc) those voting for socialism tend to just want free shit. Now, my problem is not with giving people things. I donate a decent percentage of my income to charity and am known at work and with friends to always be willing to lend help however it is needed. My problems begin arising upon realizing that most people who want socialism [u][b][i]do not[/i][/b][/u] share my beliefs. They don't want to elect Sanders so they can help those in hard times. They want to elect Sanders so that they can get shit for free. To clarify, my problem is not that people would be directly benefiting from voting for Sanders. My problem is that people would be voting for Sanders so specifically they themselves can benefit. That mentality really is not prevalent in Washington State as far as I've seen, but looking across the nation as a whole (especially the poorer areas), people couldn't care less about their communities or their neighborhoods. Hell, some of these people don't even care about their own families. All they heard was that Sanders would give them free shit and they were onboard. TL;DR: Many would abuse this system and pervert it to suit their individual needs as opposed to benefiting society as a whole. Socialism requires a willing and generally selfless society to work, as in the United States things are very individualistic these policies and practices would ultimately fall the same way our current social programs are failing.
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  • [quote]Ok, so the few people on here that know me will recognize me as a pretty vocal socialist. For those of you that don't recognize me; I'm a pretty vocal socialist. Living in Washington State (which is a fairly pro-socialism state) the ideas behind socialism were always held as something to work towards. This was especially prevalent in the school system (both high school and college). My recent problems with socialism in the USA do not stem from a sudden dislike of the policies it entails, or because of how many people don't like socialism in the country as a whole. My problem with socialism (and by relation Bernie Sanders campaign [which let's be honest here is over]) is that outside of states which are very receptive towards it (Washington, Colorado, etc) those voting for socialism tend to just want free shit. Now, my problem is not with giving people things. I donate a decent percentage of my income to charity and am known at work and with friends to always be willing to lend help however it is needed. My problems begin arising upon realizing that most people who want socialism [u][b][i]do not[/i][/b][/u] share my beliefs. They don't want to elect Sanders so they can help those in hard times. They want to elect Sanders so that they can get shit for free. To clarify, my problem is not that people would be directly benefiting from voting for Sanders. My problem is that people would be voting for Sanders so specifically they themselves can benefit. That mentality really is not prevalent in Washington State as far as I've seen, but looking across the nation as a whole (especially the poorer areas), people couldn't care less about their communities or their neighborhoods. Hell, some of these people don't even care about their own families. All they heard was that Sanders would give them free shit and they were onboard. TL;DR: Many would abuse this system and pervert it to suit their individual needs as opposed to benefiting society as a whole. Socialism requires a willing and generally selfless society to work, as in the United States things are very individualistic these policies and practices would ultimately fall the same way our current social programs are failing.[/quote] Tool to long to read. Opions are opinions. That's mature my attitude but yeah. Droned on! Hopefully I didn't offend.

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