Bungie---and their determination to recreate Halo's MP----also had a hand in this. The problem is that shooter gamer's have WAAY too narrow a definition of "balance"....and use complaints about "balance" as a crutch to soothe egos that are wounded by getting outplayed, outsmarted....or both. What shooter gamers need to learn is what fighting gamers learned awhile back. Perfect balance==/== a fun game. A fighting game where everyone plays the same character (Street Fighter) may be perfectly balanced.....and yet its not going to be all that fun our interesting to play. So if you want a game that is fun and interesting to play...you sometimes have to accept **counters** rather than direct 1::1 balance. PVP in Destiny 1 was built around counter-play rather than "balance"....and as long as you understood that....it was fun to play. But the community wanted balance....and a lot of damage was done to D1 trying to pursue it. ....and D2 beta looked really underpowered in PVE as a result of it as well.