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6/23/2017 10:32:19 PM
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Ahh good old Tucker porn. I tell ya the type of people who come on his show to try and "show him up" just end up getting completely wrecked and shown to the world what kind of people they really are. And whats funny is they can never answer a single question and most segments Tucker keeps trying to get them to answer the original question posed and they go "uhh but Trump, racism, sexism, look at the weather outside" like they have ADD and cant stay on topic. Then you have the ones that say the same scripted lines no matter what like they are non-sentient drones. However with all that being said it is a very one sided show. You rarely see Tucker call in conservative or right leaders and activists to ask them hard questions. There was one where he called in a woman defending men's rights to shame her but she walked all over him. (and now that i think about it that was before he had his own show.) It also seems like they find the absolute dumbest people rather than someone with intellectual backbone.
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  • Edited by LiamCDM: 6/23/2017 10:38:41 PM
    [quote] It also seems like they find the absolute dumbest people rather than someone with intellectual backbone.[/quote] In this context, it is impossible to intellectually defend Lisa's position. Her "arguments," if you can even call them so, are so obviously fallacious and stereotypically racist that they could never hold up in an actual debate. In regards to say, economic leftists and socialists, you're 100% right. There are certainly intelligent left-wingers that can articulately defend their position and walk all over most people in a debate, but in my experience when a conservative like Tucker Carlson, Steven Crowder or Ben Shapiro want to debate these issues, they bring in either naive college kids or obviously stupid people, rather than academics like Robert Reich or Pual Krugman. It reeks of confirmation bias, but it's not like the left doesn't do this either. Most ideologues do, regardless of politics.

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  • It'd be nice if there were some giant forum like the one in the painting in which thinkers could go to express themselves.

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  • There have been some panels with those right commentators that debate some intelligent leftists. But yes in most cases they speak on campuses or with those who are ill equipped to make a single argument, at least those are what get views. Not many watch a two hour panel with 4 people arguing a few subjects. Ive seen it on both sides but the left has continued to worry me with their rhetoric and beliefs as time has gone on. While this woman is mentally handicapped she does hold influence as a commentator and writer. The left has been screaming for peace as they burn down buildings, they promote "equality" as they actively target, belittle, and attack those who are not with them, they clamor for free speech then try to enact laws forbidding speech, and they decry racism while promoting segregation. Its like they have shifted into total fascism and authoritarianism. And usually i would say "oh they are just the radicals" but even some of my friends, on the left, (i am an independent) hold these beliefs now. And my friends on the right are only growing more perturbed and frustrated after being constantly attacked. One example is the recent congressman shooting. One of my friends was literally upset that the killer didnt do a better job killing the republicans to "stop the rise of a second germany"... another guy i workout with instantly called it a conspiracy because "democrats don't shoot people only republicans do because they are evil." Its getting very disturbing for me at least.

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  • I actually got into a debate the other day with a colleague of mine, whom was arguing that people who were deemed to be hateful (homophobic, transphobic, Islamophobic etc), deserved to be assaulted or at the very least, their property destroyed. This isn't an entirely uncommon sentiment either, as there are hundreds of so-called "progressives" that vociferously advocate for this type of discourse and action. Anyone who they deem a bigot will be bullied, harassed and insulted and possibly even physically harmed. It's completely ludicrous that the left is turning into the same authoritarian force that the right was just a few decades ago. Even as a Junior in High School, I do whatever I can when the topic comes up, to at least attempt to inject some rational thoughts in the equation, because people like this are precisely why conservatism and the alt-right are becoming increasingly common.

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  • Yeah its like they don't realize how quickly things can turn if their "ideology" were to come into practice. You want to imprison, harm, or even kill those you deem hateful? Sure fine, but what happens when thats ok and you are deemed hateful by another group? They never have an answer for that as they believe they are saints morally. Thats exactly what we are seeing in Evergreen College right now with the students and faculty. Politics are increasingly becoming about moral affiliation rather than policy. When i was growing up the difference between republicans and democrats was 2%. One wanted a 38% tax rate and the other 40%; and that was only about a decade and a half ago. Now we have entered the age of what i call "moral politics." I am increasingly seeing people argue politics or policy off of moral perspectives rather than evidential ones. [Dont want to give more money to Obamacare? You must hate old people and want them to die!!!] This is how almost every policy debate devolves rather than "will it work and will it work here?" The other major problem with moral politics is how both sides view the other as inherently evil or wrong. When you view the opposition as evil you are less likely to consider any point or line of reasoning that they bring up no matter what. This means even more hardline stances to fester in a political party as they view themselves as inherently righteous. Even in the video we see some of that from the lady who uses her argument on the basis that "others are evil so we must exclude them, and who cares how they are treated because they are evil." This type of political affiliation is very dangerous, and is exactly why, like you said, we are seeing groups rise in opposition like the "alt-right".

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  • Edited by LiamCDM: 6/24/2017 7:25:50 PM
    Exactly. Now, it is a false dichotomy to think emotional arguments cannot be used alongside evidence-based arguments, but if those emotional arguments are inherently fallacious or irrational, they are not good arguments; this is a strong example of the latter. A good emotional argument could be like[i] "we need to have a single-payer healthcare system because no one should be forced to chose between death or bankruptcy." [/i]. Moral or identity politics aren't always bad, but they being the majority over fact-based politics is when we see issues, and we're certainly seeing the effects of this. The racist attitudes of people like Lisa Durden can be directly connected to the rise of the alt-right, because many people are sick of being discriminated against for being straight, for being white, and for being male. They're sick of the collective punishment they're forced to endure because of the actions of white people from generations ago, of whom they never had nothing to do with.

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