It's broken. It has the good aspects of every single subclass in it. -heals on kills with hammer (bladedancer and warlock melee) but with range and EVERY ability not just one or two. -has high range with descent hammer speed (range of a Golden Gun and Nova Bomb with lance) but with faster travel speed than other Nova Bombs and almost same explosive radius as Nova Bomb. -max armored titan plus sunbreaker has slightly higher damage resistance than a Radiant Skin warlock with max armor with more range and explosive AOE. -recovery on sunbreaker subclass can equal that of a max recovery warlock (the "medic" class) as well as having controlled burst jumping making it faster than a max agility hunter ( the "speed" class). -has a perk called Simmering Flames allowing for grenades and melees to charge twice as fast (aspects of a Sunsinger warlock). -has a melee called Melting Point that gives a whopping 50% damage bonus! (Weapons of Light = 25% Weapons of Light with Illuminated = 35%) -has a giant AOE with a perk called Explosive Pyre which cause enimies killed by hammer to explode (same as Bloom on warlock). -has a perk called Fleet Fire which increases agility from ability kills (same as Stormtrance Pulse Wave but without taking critical damage) I mean come on and that's not even everything. There is literally no need for any other class.

What a retarded post. I'm going to go ahead and assume you're a teenager for your own sake. [quote]Shadowshot disables supers[/quote] Not if it hits. [quote]The guy manages to throw one hammer; misses[/quote] So the Sunbreaker in your example is obviously bad. [quote]and suffers a brutal death by smoke grenade in my tether.[/quote] 1. You only had a chance to do this because the Sunbreaker missed you in the first place. 2. Your tether missed, and since the range of Quiver's tether is terrible, I'll assume you're running blackhole or bloodbound (unless said Sunbreaker was retarded and stood in one place the entire time, thus letting your quiver's tether reach him even after the delayed onset). Plus you only mention 1 shot. 3. If you're running the perk that only allows one shot, then you essentially used your super to cancel his super. Supers cancel supers. Man lands on moon. More at 11. 4. Sunbreaker should have had the time to throw another hammer at you after his first miss and before the tether actually took hold. 5. Essentially, your anecdote is terrible. [quote]stop complaining about how it can't be countered.[/quote] Supers cancel supers. Man lands on moon. More at 11. The point is that Sunbreaker has no downside, unlike the previous mobile supers (Gunslinger has no damage resistance and only gets 3 shots, Bladedancer has to be in melee range). But that probably requires too much critical thinking for someone like you. [quote]Apparently sun breaker has a ton of HP. I laughed at that statement as I got one-shot from Nova bombs, golden guns, shadowshot ect.[/quote] lolwut You get something like 50% damage resistance as a Sunbreaker mid-super. That's the point you moron. Also, GG does NOT one-shot if you're correctly spec'd. Your only counter-point to this is that.. supers cancel other supers? More at 11. [quote]It's called a super for a reason.[/quote] Funny how this logic apparently didn't apply to Y1 and hunters, and yet now that Titans have the "OP" super, it's okay. [quote]OK, I guess we have like... 5 hammers or more. [/quote] You don't even know how many hammers you can throw, yet you think you're informed enough to speak on this topic? LooooooooooL. [quote]Now, add missing. Now, add panic throwing.[/quote] You must be legitimately retarded. Are you seriously trying to use personal player failure to talk down your super? That's not how this works. Gunslinger. 3 shots. "b-b-but add missing and add panic shots!" Don't be an idiot. [quote] It's basically the same as a bladedancer[/quote] Except BD requires melee range. Derp derp. [quote]And don't say "the hammers track!" Cause I use the tracking upgrade, and see almost no difference. [/quote] That's like saying Proximity on rocket launchers provides no difference. Only a moron or terrible player would think such a thing. People who make illogical, stupid, misinformed posts like yours are a cancer to this game and community. inb4 a bunch of 1.00 players who think their opinion actually matters downvote this. Stormcaller is just as bad as Sunbreaker.

I main Striker/Def in pvp from the get go and Hammer of Sol IS NOT the balancing Titans asked for. Our NEUTRAL game is what lacked NOT our supers. Warlocks and Hunters had blink. Yes im cockily saying HoS is OP. Its OP. Sunsinger didnt have blink but it had great nades and great exotics with a lifesaving super. Gunslinger didnt have blink but it had an amazing super. Sunbreaker is basically a Sunsinger that throws mini Nova Bombs. Its neutral game sucks but the super needs toning down. Again, THE NEUTRAL GAME is what Titan needed for Y2. Instead Bungie releases a Subclass that has a broken super in the game.

SB can survive GG if they spec their stats for it, which seems like a fair trade off to me. I'm also ok with the damage reduction being dropped to 50%. All other complaints about the super are just salt.

Why should I have to waste my nova bomb on your ass when I could've used it on a control point or a group of enemies at heavy ammo?

I agree with a lot of this. Titans, for months, had to use their supers as counters; Hunters don't know how to do that. They are used to offense only and probably wouldn't understand the concept of 'wasting' their super to counter a Sunbreaker. Now that Titans have an offensive super, instead of pure defense and something that should only be used as a counter, the rest of the classes need to learn to adapt instead of crying on the forums. But that's been the case since Suros reigned supreme, and the crying never ends. Suros, Thorn, TLW, blink, shotguns, ammo, and all the other things that have been nerfed mostly because the community refuses to learn to adapt and instead prefer Bungie hold their hand in the deep water. The community will keep crying if Bungie continues to cater to those that refuse to improve.