People are still pushing the Templar off of the edge with grenades and people are still staying in the spawn area for the Oracle phase of the Raid. It has got to the point that people are intentionally skipping the Door Opening and Conflux sequences just to glitch the Oracles and Templar. The odds of finding a group that's actually completed the Oracles and Templar legit are slim. I believe the Templar grenade glitch could be fixed by not allowing DoT and disabling grenade evasion. The Oracle phase could be fixed by making the initial spawn area a soft death zone after it has begun. The Spirit Bloom room and adjacent tall ledges should also be a soft death zone for the entire Conflux, Oracle, and Templar sequences. People are simply hiding in those areas when the Templar summons his Legions during the Conflux sequence. Here is a video of what the majority of people are doing. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr_cqyIZxCM[/url] I hope this stuff get patched soon, I for one like the challenge the Hard Raid offers.