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Edited by Beyond Evolution:
11/29/2014 8:04:57 AM
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A solo player's Nightfall experience
1st let me say that I understand nightfall strikes are intended to be a highly difficult 3 man event. That being said, I think this last round of strike balancing was a bit of an overkill.
As a person who only runs solo, I used to enjoy attempting nightfalls when they had a burn modifier. I wouldn't always make it to the end, but I found the slow crawl through the strike to be allot of fun.
Unfortunately, after this last patch I can hardly takedown a single shielded elite heavy. Pumping every round I have in all of my weapons to take down 1 guy is ridiculous. The rate at which they absorb rounds is OBSCENE.
Your patch notes said you rebalanced the strike so that running with a team would be more of a benefit instead if a burden. I completely respect that. It also said that running solo would be more challenging, which is completely understandable.
I don't mind a challenge. I don't even mind failing because I got overwhelmed, but this... this is crazy! This isn't a challenge, this is a cruel joke.
I accept that I'll never get to run a raid. I also accept that I won't be able to participate in 90% of your "special events". I even accept that I have to get used to abandoning exotic bounties and forgo their rewards.
But relegating solo players to only dailies and patrols is just plain mean. I really was enjoying myself for awhile. Even with the LIMITED amount of content I had access to, I had hope that you would open up more at some point. Instead, I have even less content to participate in now than I did when the game launched.
*(imo) The Nightfall was the solo player's equivalent of a Raid. Because it was the only "end game" content we had with decent rewards.* With so much empty space and underutilized areas already in the game, I would have expected you add more things to do before you started gateing even more content behind a wall of griefers and asshats.
I'm very disappointed with this turn of events. I can only hope this isn't indicative of your future plans, because for a little while I was really enjoying myself.
*[i]I would like to thank DeeJ for taking the time to [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/80717560/0/0/1][u][b]reply[/b][/u][/url] to my feedback. I can only hope you also viewed the [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/80725858/0/0][b][u]suggestions[/u][/b][/url] you requested.[/i]*
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152 RepliesWe don't do this to be mean. I'm sorry you feel that way... Sincerely. I see a lot of these threads, and I'm never quite certain of what to say. Bungie didn't create Destiny to punish solo gamers. We set out to create an experience that would bring gamers together. Many of the challenges you'll find in the Director are invitations to parties. Like many activities you encounter in your real life, there are engagements in Destiny that are designed for teams. I'm a highly social gamer. It's why I play games. I'd love to tell you that finding the right group of people and working with them to take down the fiercest enemies in the game is a total rush. We slope the floor to those experiences because we think they're amazing. What can I do to help you enjoy more of Destiny? You seem like a reasonable guy. I'd bring you on a Raid myself, but I can't see your linked profile to determine if you're ready. I think the best I can tell you is that I am aware of your pain as a person who does not want to play with other people. I will keep making suggestions on your behalf.
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Months later and i feel this guy's pain. Especially in doing the Cerberus Vae III strike. Out of all the enemies in any strike those 2 Centurions in the area where you havr to take out the 3generals and tank are just terrible. Even if you are equipped with solar weapons and take out their shields thry run and hide in an instant and if you follow them you risk getting blown to bits, but if you dont follow them then they regenerate their shields. Everytime i solo that nightfall i always run out of every single bullets there
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Hell...I'll run with anyone who writes that eloquently... I can tell you that you can try DestingLFG.com. I've had pretty good luck finding a mate for nightfall, and I can say that all of my VOG and Crota runs were put together on that site. I've been fairly lucky that I got in with some good peeps who were willing to put up with my 'noobness'. There were also a few times that the groups were not very good and broke up quickly. Like you, I am a solo gamer. I had zero PS4 friends when I picked up a PS4 and Destiny back when the beta came out. And, as an older gamer (50+), it's not like my entire subdivision was racing out to buy the game like the students and younger generations. But eventually you might make a mate or two. I have one guy that speaks very little English that jumped on my fireteam once. We made it thru a Nightfall and a Weekly together, and now it's become a weekly thing. We say very little, but I know his style, and he knows mine, and we help each other out. I couldn't tell you his name or where he's from. It can be rather invigorating when you're stuck with little or no ammo and you see someone jumping onto your fireteam. It's also satisfying when the situation's reversed. So, if you're on PS4, drop me a line. Me and Sergio would be glad to run with you. Just don't expect much converstation. :-)
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I solo'd this weeks nightfall.... just saying....
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[b]But relegating solo players to only dailies and patrols is just plain mean. I really was enjoying myself for awhile. Even with the LIMITED amount of content I had access to, I had hope that you would open up more at some point. Instead, I have even less content to participate in now than I did when the game launched[/b] I agree 100% . To me it is clear bungie is not happy with the way people are using the game and has been trying to force everyone to play the way they want them to. The result is a now badly broken game that only works for the raiding players and the elite PVP players . the PVP community is pretty damn small and it is only going to get worse.
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4 RepliesJust dont solo it it wasnt intended to play solo just find a group and its easy ass hell
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1 ReplyThis is a good read and I agree whole heartedly with you, I too have now had to start using the recruitment forum to find guys to run the Nightfall with which is ok and I have run with some ok guys. But despite the inevitable posts which tell you it's a multi player game I believe it was advertised as a game you 'could' play solo if it was your preference. I have stopped doing the weekly heroic altogether as it's no longer fun which ultimately is what this product is meant to deliver. I question why the weekly heroic and nightfall have to be the same strike? It's boring as hell if you are running 3 guardians. I appreciate those of you with raid primaries can breeze through Nightfall, my internet isn't good enough to risk a full raid run so a solo Nightfall for me is 2 hr slow crawl using the normal legendaries terrified I will be one shot or D/C'd at the death. Please consider those of us who play solo, after all who are we hurting? We are not taking loot away from anyone else and we are not holding back progress for anyone. Why increase the solo difficulty?
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Well said indeed
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1 ReplyI agree with your post and as important the way you wrote it. I tried to solo the nightfall many times and failed until I got enough weapons with the correct burn. Then they changed it and was only able to finish it with my warlock (revive). In the last couple of weeks I have gone to the forums and get with folks to finish them. The point that I would like to add to your post is that Destiny has given players the ability to play many ways. Example, My son likes to jump in the middle of the aliens and blow them with shotguns and hand cannons. I like to stay further back and kill them with scout rifles and snipers. Either way is fine with me, we play the way we like. The same is true for solo and multiplayer. Bungie created this game that can be played in both ways whether is was done on purpose or not. If I was bungie, from a business perspective, I would take advantage of this situation and provide content for both. It makes sense to me to do so. While the raid has been soloed, it is meant to be a team activity. I would provide (without taking away from the multiplayer) content that can only be soloed. If you will, a raid that can only be played by a single player. I know you said the nightfall is the solo players raid, but I would provide new content for it. Like I said before, bungie created a game that can be played in many ways, they should expand in all directions.
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I like what someone had to say below about matchmaking for the nightfall. As an insomniac I never know when anyone that I might know is going to be online and I spend a lot of time playing alone.
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Keep solo, they just want to use u as a free commercial to tell ur friends to buy this shit game to have any1 to play with.
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1 ReplyIt is definately harder to solo the nightfall now, not impossible, but definately harder, I believe it was done on purpose as bungie has stated on multiple occasions that they want people to play the game their way, and they want everyone to play everything with a team. I prefer solo play also so I know your pain and empathise with you. They should have increased the difficulty when there are more than one gaurdian running the nightfall and left the solo difficulty alone, it was already hard enough solo especially if youre not using radiance to revive, but since they would rather you go to another site to get 5 strangers to raid with or 2 strangers to nightfall with rather than have a better mechanism in place in game to reach out to people besides the invite method, I doubt the difficulty for the solo player is going to change anytime soon. Just my opinion.
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I 100% agree with everything you said. I am also a solo player and thank you for stating how I feel so eloquently !
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2 RepliesI have to say, I honestly don't understand all this angst and malaise directed towards solo players. Allowing people to run content solo should have absolutely no impact on the team players experience. As long as you receive greater rewards & a better experience when you're with a team, why does it matter if someone whom you have no interaction with gets to enjoy their experience too? I'm not complaining that I can't find teams, it doesn't bother me. I'm not complaining that I don't get to Raid, I never expected to. I don't even care that nearly all the special events are team oriented, because I know the main focus for Bungie is about generating a superior team experience. What I'm requesting is to simply allow Strikes, in any form, to not be co-op ONLY. If they can adjust the rewards & difficulties relative to group size, why not adjust the same things for single players. If it doesn't effect your personal experience, why do you care what other people get to do? It's not like anyone is asking them to nerf team play or to even make unique content that can ONLY be done solo. Asking for solo options for SOME of the "end game" content doesn't harm anyone. All it does is allow more people to enjoy the game. How could that possibly be a bad thing?
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9 RepliesWTF I SOLO THIS WEEKS NIGHTFALL IN 30 MIN OR LESS MY BRO SOLOS IT IN 20 OR LESS W/ THE SEX MYTHOCLAST TOUGHEN UP THIS GAME IS TOO FAAACKIMG EASYYYVODYBSKSHHGRPSD
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2 RepliesThe joke is that now I can walk in the middle of a firefight in nightfall, leave my console to take a huge dump, and come back without dying once. Last time I checked it took 3-4 shots to be killed in nightfall. Now it's child's play.
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3 RepliesEdited by Beyond Evolution: 11/28/2014 4:22:16 PMThis will probably be my last addition to this thread. I just want to take the time to explain the fundamental point I was trying to make. I understand that your primary focus is on creating an engaging group oriented experience. For that reason the content you release will be geared towards that purpose. I am in no way expecting that focus to shift to anything other than that primary goal, at any point. All I am asking, is that you [i]include[/i] solo players into that process in some way. So that we may also have a chance to experience some of that higher end content you've worked so hard to create. Even if it must be in some limited fashion. I don't believe that to be an unreasonable request.
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2 RepliesI get a little perplexed when I read these sort of posts. It seems that Bungie made a specifically mulitiplayer game with the vision of bringing games together. They didn't make a single player game. There are aspects of it that can be solo'd, to be sure. But the fixes and patches and balances they make are geared toward their vision of the game, which is multiplayer in nature. It seems that for a select group of people playing Destiny, Bungie committed themselves to making solo games with a multiplayer OPTION because of their work with Halo and so on. So now that Bungie has gone with a different model, it's unacceptable for them to step completely away from their former style of game development. To put it another way... I don't drive by my local KFC to pull in and ask McDonald's for a bucket of extra crispy thighs and legs, and write a comment card to start carrying mashed potatoes and biscuits just because I prefer chicken & McDonald's has chicken nuggets on the menu. As a consumer I know who is targeting their wares in my direction depending on what I want at a given time. This is not in any way shape or form a flame (your post was eloquent and reasonable as they come), I am just attempting to understand why players who prefer solo games purchase a multiplayer game and scratch their heads when tweaks and adjustments are made to favor the multiplayer experience over the single player.
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4 RepliesUnless your teammates are trolling you or something, nightfall was always easier with 1 - 2 other people. Lots of dudes and even girls now wanna look badass and act like nobody's skills compare to theirs and that other people could only be a "liability" in their smoothly oiled machine. It's the same setup regardless of how many players start it. Strikes are not scaled like story missions. Unless you are the type who can't resist making risky, daring rescues, it was impossible for another fireteam member to make your strike harder. So, there never was a tactical "incentive" to go solo unless it helps you concentrate better. The worst thing is the nightfalling. I would enjoy the solo challenge if there were checkpoints I could return to.
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I agree, I would to see more solo content, though this weeks nightfall wasn't terribly difficult, I'm sure harder ones will come in the future. If not making current content easier to solo, more content that's supposed to be solo would be nice. In the meantime, I'd suggest making a sunsinger for your current nightfalling needs. I realise it's only one nightfall a week, but the ability to revive makes it much less punishing for solo players.
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Agree not all of us are social people. That's why we to stay home alone and play video games. To get away from the world. Stop trying to force fake friends into my life. I just wanna shoot shit.
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Not having the choice of matchmaking with randoms on the nightfall and weekly is seriously stupid. I usually do it with friends but why not. Just stupid. Even the raid. Why not? At least you could get a friend In a fireteam and then use matching for six. It would actually make it easier to make more friends. Going to this site to find people is ridiculous. This game is starting to lose it for me and I love this game.
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2 RepliesI know my response is heartless, and I do feel bad about this, but you need to climb out of your shell. You're introverted like most other people on this forum. Even so, you have to learn to work with other players eventually. It's a life skill. I want to say something snarky, but this is all I can do.
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/signed lone wolf forever.
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If u havnt joined a clan already, you should. If you're on PS4 I'd say you're welcome to the clan I'm in that's all about helping others. We have ppl running trough the raid 10-15 times a week, just to help others. The fun in Destiny is definitely with others!
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1 ReplyAs a normally-solo gamer, I recommend [url=http://www.destinylfg.com][/url]. It certainly isn't as good as having friends to play with, but it usually gets the job done.
