If anyone has some good ideas for buffing Thorn I'm sure Bungie would like to hear them. I'll share what I have in mind. Feel free to comment or berate me. Thorn is by far the most difficult bounty, that much is true. The design of Thorn in comparison to all of the other hand cannons is very unique. From what I can tell it is, by design, the largest hand cannon. Logically speaking the Thorn should be shooting the largest caliber rounds and have the most impact. From what I have seen the Painted Big Chief (rare) has the highest hand cannon impact. Also, the Final Round upgrade feels very lackluster on that weapon. I would recommend either increased reload speed from precision kills or increased damage with the bottom half of the magazine. Obviously, since the magazine is small each round would have to do proportionally more damage with each shot. When using Suros Regime, the last round does about twice as much damage as the first round, but the magazine is much larger. The incremental damage increase would have to be greater. Increase base magazine size to a minimum of 8. 6 is easily too small for an exotic. Considering Thorn has extremely low range and stability the magazine would have to be bigger. I would say that if the devs give it a damage increase for the bottom half of the mag, then 8 rounds should be good. For anything else, a minimum of 10 rounds. I have already mentioned the impact increase. So as far as other base stats are concerned, I would say increase the range to a more practical level. The size of the gun is enough to warrant its low stability, which already has an optional upgrade to compensate. But the range is so ridiculously short that it severely cripples the gun in combination with low stability. I understand that there are upgrades on it right now that can fix this problem, but extremely low range coupled with low stability makes it difficult to use. I also believe a small boost to the lingering damage would be a good idea. Or, instead of the lingering damage the bullets splinter on impact mimicking a shotgun blast from a long distance (minimal damage with multiple impact points). What I mean is the bullet itself causes damage and THEN splinters cause a little extra. Just a thought. Things I would recommend NOT doing with this gun: Leave it alone. This gun deserves a good boost to be more practical. Give it a dumb ability like return to sender (kills have a chance to add rounds to the mag). It works on other guns, but it would keep Thorn from being usable. Change the tertiary upgrades it already has. The additional upgrades are decent enough, they just don't compensate for what is wrong with it. Summary: Boost impact to be on par or better than the Painted Big Chief. Change the secondary ability since Final Round is kind of weak for a gun that has a 5 second reload (feels like 5 anyway). Boost range to where a player will have a rough time deciding between adding more range or increasing stability via upgrades. Also, if any devs read this, please offer a timeframe when we could expect to see an update on this gun. Don't need a date, just a ballpark estimate would be cool. Feel free to comment. I will also be posting my recommendations for Bad Juju. Update: I sincerely appreciate people starting to add feedback. Considering what has been said so far it seems like you guys agree with the majority of what I and other people have said. That's a big step to getting things done and thank you! Update 2: So far the feedback has been positive and largely the same between each person. Let's do a quick recap. I mentioned raising range mainly for pve purposes since in harder strikes you will be farther away from enemies. Reducing the dropoff will enhance is usability in pve without affecting pvp. Everyone agrees thorn needs a bigger mag and/or more reload speed. I Go with mag size because gear can increase reload, even though a little bit. A resetting dot with each shot would most likely cause the dot to stack because of coding issues which would require an additional fix. Not guaranteed, but likely. A precision damage increase was mentioned for pve, but that would overpower it in pvp. I'm still sticking with an impact increase because of the guns design, and if that happens then 8 rounds should suffice. You guys are bad ass. Thank you for reading and replying. I'll try to keep up with replies for everyone. Hopefully this thread gets so big that I can't then bungie will be like "Damn, this motherf$!#^er knows what's up." Some of you have mentioned bad juju, and I have already written my ideas for that as well. Search Ideas for Bad Juju? Click on my thread and read away. Leave a comment and tell me what you think. Update: The buffs are supposed to be soon. Still no word. Keep commenting/liking. Gotta get this replied to by bungie