I've completed the VoG on Normal and Hard but I do so with close friends. Everyday I get bombarded with "Message to all recent players" etc etc or "AMG level 30!!!!" The thing is, i'm the one who's literally always holding the relic throughout the whole raid and no-one else likes to either because there is a lot of pressure on them / Tension heats up because even someone who is not part of the portal team gets teleported and cannot or the life of them do it. There is no middle area in Destiny. It is either at high level constantly do level 24 strikes/nightfall once a week/pvp. Or VoG find a team who have some people who never have done it and have them abused by everyone else for not doing something right. Sadly this has become the case now, There is no Training for VoG, there is no level 20 Raid where people can train in let alone have fun. [b]Earlier this month we had stats for VoG below:[/b] [quote]"Destiny averages 3.2M players every day with an average playtime of 3 hours a day(!) 1,970,807 players have attempted the Raid on Normal 472,082 players have defeated the Raid on Normal 202,729 players have attempted the Raid on Hard 36,181 players have defeated the Raid on Hard"[/quote] I just would like to continue playing content and hang with friends casually playing. If everything is about elitism which in other MMO's just ruins a community, Why is it that now even less players can complete the VoG simply because the developers up high want it harder. I don't understand why people cannot just enjoy content, help each other, make new friends, and have fun being able to participate in it. The only good thing about random teleporting now is the fact I will get less spam (of approx 7 emails a session to 3 hopefully) for trying to find teams to be able to do the VoG. I am not going to alienate friends, but now I feel bad if I finish VoG and I cannot help them or anyone else do so