(Skip first 2 paragraphs for actual important stuff) Alright you knuckle heads. RNGod knows we feast on the forums about everything we want in Destiny when we aren't playing, so here's something [b][u]TOTALLY DOPE AS BALLS[/u][/b] (I'm not someone who usually uses "dope" but it sounded good here) After sitting in bed for an hour reading over the grimoire for the thousandth time, I noticed a few things that just might make sense. And with my love for Thorn, that I just can't bring my self to level up cause of its reload and my (and apparently everyone else's) obsession with The Last Word, I started to put together the pieces. OK-so contrary to the description of Last Word, the weapon originally belonged to Jaren Ward. He showed up in some town during the Dark Age or whatever. (Shits hazy in the grimoire). When he arrived, Dredgen Yor was a child. He shook from his fathers grasp and went up to Jaren. Jaren understood this kid was getting all fanboy and let him hold his gun, which is The Last Word. So Yor knows how it feels and everything. Fast forward to whenever later in the Dark Age. So Jaren Ward is being, like, roasted about his crimes in this city called Palamon, I believe. Yor is watching again. Jaren Ward is being yelled at by "Magistrate Loken", the mayor, I guess is what you would call him. It says there were [b]9[/b] trained guns on him. (Whole separate thing that could also blow your God-damn mind). Yor thinks about how weightless the gun was. Then Jaren totally Indiana Jones's the Magistrate Loken guy and plants one in his forehead. The 9 guys just kinda leave, it's vague there. It goes on to say that Dredgen Yors life changes from there on, and many lives will end and most importantly, makes a hint that it won't be the last time he deals weapon, and instead is just beginning his involvement. (Pst, this is right where it starts to blow your - blam!-ing mind) Now, store all that in the back of your mind. [b]One of the Thorn descriptions goes a little like this-[/b]"a noble man stood, beacon of good hope. He held a rose in his hand. He has dark thoughts though, a sadness deep within him. Slowly the shadows' whisper became a voice, a dark call, offering glories no one could deny. He changed one day, as dusk was devoured by night. The noble man ceased to exist, another man stood in his place. Same meat, bone, but different." So sounds like some guy with a weapon of light was great, but something slowly ate away at him. And something a little minor we might be over analyzing, the whole rose/thorn thing is more of a cleaver way of explaining the weapon. It's thorn now, because we have it and such. Wether it's a twisted Last Word or a whole different weapon, I think the Rose is being taken to literally. There wasn't a weapon named Rose, it said rose because it was a cryptic way of saying the weapon became evil. [b]This part is crazy[/b]- "The first and only of his family. The sole forbearer and last descendant of the name Yor" Ok, SHIT. Our Dredgen Yor kid from the Last Word chronicles is in the Thorn stories. [b]And even better[/b]-"In his first moments as a new being, he looked down at his Rose and realized for the first time that it held no petals: only the jagged purpose of angry Thorns..." Before I lose my mind on this shit, [b]here's one more thing-[/b]"The legend of Thorn is bound to the rise and fall of Dredgen Yor, a guardian whose name is remembered with disgust and shame." SO HOLY -blam!-ING SHIT. YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS YOU SILLY BASTARDS. THE LAST WORD IS THORN. IT WAS TWISTED BY THE HIVE. JUST LIKE DREDGEN YORS MIND WAS. And it leaves us all with one undeniable fact. The hive are responsible for twisting the weapon to darkness...and cursing it with its pitiful reload. Hope you all enjoyed. Please comment what you think, I spent more time on this than I should have. Edit: And if anyone has last word and could check the designs on it, anything like a rose on it. B.net doesn't really provide a good look at anyone's. Edit 2: VitiableSoap pointed this out. Possible link to Dark Tower series? Possibly, a lot of parallels. Great series, and I hate books. Edit 3: Thanks for all the constructive criticism. Again, it's all theoretical. With the lack of info provided by the grimoire, we can only narrow the story of these weapons to a hand full of theories, each have there own holes in them, including mine. Hope everyone enjoyed!