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Edited by Wiznux:
10/30/2014 2:17:38 AM
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Update 1.0.2.3. - Patch Notes [NEW UPDATE]
[UPDATE]
So I was introduced to this little bit of information today, and felt it was a good example of Bungie doing a complete 180 in regards to this Atheon teleportation matter. It comes from an old Halo update, but really emphasizes what we've been saying all along within the community.
[url=http://halo.bungie.net/news/content.aspx?cid=13233]Bungie Weekly Update: 02/08/08[/url]
"The Fatal Flaw"
[quote]Any time you have a game system which players cannot understand, it might as well be random. No matter how fair the tiebreaker may be, if a single Assault Rifle bullet can slip by and decide the outcome, it might as well be random. [b]And randomness is a poor substitute for tactics and skillful execution.[/b][/quote]
Please feel free to discuss. (Sourced from [url=https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/2knff1/and_randomness_is_a_poor_substitute_for_tactics/]Reddit[/url])
[quote]Fixed an issue where Atheon was not choosing random targets for teleport through the timestream during the final encounter on the Vault of Glass[/quote]
As a developer, I cannot wrap my head around how this could have ever been an issue. That functionality has to be written into an algorithm and tested to see if it functions properly, it would be immediately obvious that this does or does not work. There's no way this was an issue, and I'm truly disappointed to see that you incorporated this after the community expressed that they did not want it. (Begin discussion)
[quote]Fixed an exploit where Atheon could be forced off his platform[/quote]
Awesome, this definitely wasn't as you intended. Though I do believe it was a clever strategy and kudos to whoever figured it out, I completely understand that you did not expect us to do this.
[EDIT]
[quote]Summary
This update makes Destiny a [b]more stable experience for all players[/b].[/quote]
Well, maybe server issue resolutions make it stable, but the random teleportation completely destabilizes the experience.
[quote]More updates are to follow as we continue to support Destiny. Future enhancements being worked on include Exotic Weapon tuning, new features for voice communication between matchmade teammates, and the ability to hold more Bounties in your pocket at any time.[/quote]
Thanks for keeping us updated on what's coming next. We appreciate knowing what's next in the pipeline, and we realize that the solution/design/development/QA testing/deployment process will take some time to complete and release.
It will be awesome to be able to hold more bounties. It would also be great to be able to collect multiple missions when patrolling, so that you can just "Grab-n-Grind"
[EDIT 2]
Another perspective from the community: [url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/75512286/0/0]Thanks for not listening about Atheon Bungie[/url]
[EDIT 3] I'm getting booted with monkey consistently. Got weasel one time, but every few minutes I'm getting kicked to orbit with monkey.
How can anyone even attempt VoG today with all the disconnections? How can we expect to do it with the added issues and the added difficulty now? This is another reason why this random teleport change was unwelcome. Sure the server issues are temporary, but it just illustrates just how much you guys need to focus on the outstanding issues rather than try to add new mechanics.
[EDIT 3A] Things seemed to get better with connecting around 7pm EST or so. I had quit out of Destiny before starting the raid and did not have any disconnection issues afterwards.
[RAID UPDATE]
FINALLY GOT MY BOOTS.
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2 RepliesNecro'd!
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3 RepliesNecrobump
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3 RepliesThis really ticks me off. The entire feedback forum was bashing the entire patch for the reasons stated by OP not for 1 day but for almost an entire week. If Bungie continues to fix shit that is not broken then I will have to shelf Destiny. Nothing that we have been asking for since the games release has come to fruition. Give us proximity Voice Chat for -blam!-ssake at least. Damn, this is all basic shit that multiplayer games need and we are told "coming soon"...yeah okay, you know what else is coming soon? A decent story or plot, and by soon I mean never.
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2 RepliesI think your confusion stems from comparisons between Bungie of Halo and Bungie of Activision. It's not really what it was.
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A nice edit would be to state, Deej led us to think we'd recieve the extra bounty space soon, Turns out it's from buying the DLC as if it's the extra custom classes in a CoD game.
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1 ReplyWhy patch it ? Everyone done it so much just work on not screwing up the next mission il be Intrested in this year
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Edited by Vampire Nox: 10/30/2014 3:38:19 PMIt's amazing the types of personality and moral changes a development company will undergo once you get EA/Activi$ion money involved... They're all about the Gamer, until the checks start showing up. Then it's corporate deep-throating all the way.
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I'm honestly a little depressed to see the 180 bungie did. Sad.
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[quote][UPDATE] So I was introduced to this little bit of information today, and felt it was a good example of Bungie doing a complete 180 in regards to this Atheon teleportation matter. It comes from an old Halo update, but really emphasizes what we've been saying all along within the community. [url=http://halo.bungie.net/news/content.aspx?cid=13233]Bungie Weekly Update: 02/08/08[/url] "The Fatal Flaw" [quote]Any time you have a game system which players cannot understand, it might as well be random. No matter how fair the tiebreaker may be, if a single Assault Rifle bullet can slip by and decide the outcome, it might as well be random. [b]And randomness is a poor substitute for tactics and skillful execution.[/b][/quote] Please feel free to discuss. (Sourced from [url=https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/2knff1/and_randomness_is_a_poor_substitute_for_tactics/]Reddit[/url]) [quote]Fixed an issue where Atheon was not choosing random targets for teleport through the timestream during the final encounter on the Vault of Glass[/quote] As a developer, I cannot wrap my head around how this could have ever been an issue. That functionality has to be written into an algorithm and tested to see if it functions properly, it would be immediately obvious that this does or does not work. There's no way this was an issue, and I'm truly disappointed to see that you incorporated this after the community expressed that they did not want it. (Begin discussion) [quote]Fixed an exploit where Atheon could be forced off his platform[/quote] Awesome, this definitely wasn't as you intended. Though I do believe it was a clever strategy and kudos to whoever figured it out, I completely understand that you did not expect us to do this. [EDIT] [quote]Summary This update makes Destiny a [b]more stable experience for all players[/b].[/quote] Well, maybe server issue resolutions make it stable, but the random teleportation completely destabilizes the experience. [quote]More updates are to follow as we continue to support Destiny. Future enhancements being worked on include Exotic Weapon tuning, new features for voice communication between matchmade teammates, and the ability to hold more Bounties in your pocket at any time.[/quote] Thanks for keeping us updated on what's coming next. We appreciate knowing what's next in the pipeline, and we realize that the solution/design/development/QA testing/deployment process will take some time to complete and release. It will be awesome to be able to hold more bounties. It would also be great to be able to collect multiple missions when patrolling, so that you can just "Grab-n-Grind" [EDIT 2] Another perspective from the community: [url=http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/75512286/0/0]Thanks for not listening about Atheon Bungie[/url] [EDIT 3] I'm getting booted with monkey consistently. Got weasel one time, but every few minutes I'm getting kicked to orbit with monkey. How can anyone even attempt VoG today with all the disconnections? How can we expect to do it with the added issues and the added difficulty now? This is another reason why this random teleport change was unwelcome. Sure the server issues are temporary, but it just illustrates just how much you guys need to focus on the outstanding issues rather than try to add new mechanics. [EDIT 3A] Things seemed to get better with connecting around 7pm EST or so. I had quit out of Destiny before starting the raid and did not have any disconnection issues afterwards. [RAID UPDATE] FINALLY GOT MY BOOTS.[/quote] SAD BUMP
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Sad bump.
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3 RepliesAnyone else notice the praetorians being harder as well?
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6 RepliesEdited by LordHighfixxer: 10/29/2014 2:30:43 PMI started reading though[b][url=http://halo.bungie.net/news/content.aspx?cid=13233] that old post from Bungie[/url][/b] when you sent it my way and I was completely stunned by the reversal that has taken place within Bungie itself. This line: [quote]No matter how fair the tiebreaker may be, if a single Assault Rifle bullet can slip by and decide the outcome, it might as well be random. [b]And randomness is a poor substitute for tactics and skillful execution[/b].[/quote] Just rings like a crystal clear bell. Bungie [u]used to understand[/u] that the game mechanics [u]they are now forcing[/u] into Destiny (The RNG and randporting at Atheon) [i]are the wrong way to build a game[/i]. I mean they told us themselves it is the wrong way to build a game. What happened to Bungie?
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As a dev I agree Also it feels like they just commented out the algorithm call without understanding how the rest of the script would handle it not being there... now it's 0-6 players sent, alive or dead, having oracles spawn before the teleportation completed (wipe), acting like someone picked up and dropped the relic before anyone gets there (wipe) and other bugs I never experienced before this "patch". Or actually it probably wasn't a lack of understanding how the rest of the script would handle it's absence, it was probably the programmer that wrote the algorithm to figure out the furthest players, proud of his work was told "we need you to get rid of this" and disgruntled they just commented it out in spite and let the rest of the script run lol.
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3 RepliesFYI no computer software can create a completely random anything. There's already some slight pattern. FACT... so as long as that persist. We'll keep finding ways.
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2 RepliesJust got my raid boots after oracles!
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Excellent post, Wiznux.
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4 RepliesI agree with you. And yeah, there's no way that the way the teleports were working was a bug. They had to code it and test it to make sure that the teleports actually sent you where they intended and didn't just kill three characters. This is a bullshit reason [b]to punish players[/b] for figuring out Atheon's teleport targets. Bungie has said; "We want you to figure out how to beat our toughest challenge in your own creative ways". Guess that really means; "unless you do it in a way we didn't plan anything for. You must defeat our toughest challenges in the way we planned, so your strategies can be damned." Skyrim is starting to look really good again...
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6 RepliesThis game is now unplayable for me due to disconnections. I can't even finish a strike. Never had problems before this patch. Bungie, stop blocking comments on your Patch announcements. Blocking feedback leaves everyone feeling unheard.
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Edited by Hektik: 10/29/2014 6:46:52 PMLong gone are the days where a developer can make up programming lie and have the community believe it. There are enough developers here to pick out the bullshit when you blame it on code. Random teleports is different than proximity teleports. Your lies are becoming numerous and almost humorous
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Thank you this a good example money changes everyone
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New games coming. Bungie failed. Focker out!
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2 RepliesThey forgot to note that you can now get 7 strange coin for doing the weekly nightfall, which is retarded since you could already get exotic weapon drops which would cost 13 strange coin if you bought them from Xur or 9 strange coin on the weekly.
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1 Reply[quote]More updates are to follow as we continue to support Destiny. [/quote] Translated: We will continue to support the game while ignoring the players. It is OUR game, not yours. [quote]Future enhancements being worked on include Exotic Weapon tuning, [/quote] Translated: We will continue to nerf either PVE or PvP qualities of the weapons until they are all have the exact same stats and are no better than Legendaries. [quote]new features for voice communication between matchmade teammates, [/quote] Translated: We will let you talk to anyone that you are randomly placed into a match with, but you cannot talk to anyone outside of an instance, nor your clanmates or previously selected fireteam. [quote]and the ability to hold more Bounties in your pocket at any time.[/quote] Transated: [hey wait did anyone even ask for this? I thought we asked for MORE KINDS of Bounties, not the ability to carry more of the same ones.?] Since we cannot offer you more types of bounties we are throwing you this bone and saying you asked for it. Arrrrrg... I have supported the game up until this post by DeeJ and the developers. It becomes apparent that they not only hear what we say, but that they choose to ignore it. The reasons behind that can be speculated for weeks, but the effect of it is that even the enthusiastic and passionate players are being driven away.
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1 ReplyYou are my new favorite poster. Good read. Well addressed. 10stars.
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