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10/20/2014 2:30:51 PM
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Fusion rifles. Are they OP?
I am a level 24 titan with a overall defense of 988 (or somewhere in that range). But I am noticing newbies like level 8's are one shot killing me and other high level guardians in the crucible. Not even at close range either. We tested that they can one shot kill someone longer than the range of most shotguns. I think low damage fusion rifles should not ne capable of this. Especially when there attack is not even half of my defense.
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They're pocket snipers
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1 ReplyWhat armor you have etc doesn't have effect in Pvp unless it's iron banner ...... Anything else it's all neutral
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Yes Fusion Rifles are very OP, pls nerf. Also while at it, pls nerf snipers, rocket launchers, scout rifles, hand cannons, grenades and melee's. Actually dont nerf scout rifles, they're balanced. But everything else, definitely needs to be hit by the nerfbat.
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Yes, yes they are
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Some Are better than others, here's my opinion. [b]Charge Time[/b] For close quarters encounters you need to start charging before you see your target otherwise their shotgun will kill you before you get all your shots out. At mid range charge time is crucial, a slight hesitation and their Primary already has you beat, which is why I prefer a fusion rifle with less of a charge time. At long ranges you'll probably only hit them with 2-3 bursts if at all, they will win this battle. [b]Stability/Recoil[/b] At close range this wont really effect much, if you started charging on time you'll get the kill. At mid range it is extremely important to anticipate the kick up and aim around waist level. You still stand the chance of missing a shot or two leaving you extremely vulnerable, hopefully a quick melee or weapon swap can save you but if their already shooting at you, game over. Long range.... Don't expect a kill. [b]Ammo Capacity[/b] Most fusion rifles I've seen are between 3-6 shots per mag, on my 77 wizard I opted for a mag size of 8 sacrificing some range, I find this works best for me as I use my fusion rifle for poking around corners and at close to mid ranges. I would only suggest this if your charge time is particularly short as you stand a chance of actually getting more than 1 shot off per target, Otherwise you have to make that first shot count. While I do agree that fusion rifles can 1 shot anyone I don't think they need a nerf. If either the charge time was increased, recoil increased or range reduced i think a lot of people would just keep shotguns as special weapons for CQB an ARs for mid to long range, ruining the variety of multiplayer. My advice; strafing is your best friend when it comes to fusion rifle combat, if they miss a few blasts as your raining down gunfire on them you will win that battle. Alternatively jumping is equally effective as most people should be aiming around waist level, a quick double jump to point blank shotgun blast is all you need.
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Its a counter to shotgun. Instead of moving forward you step a bit back or to the side and blam! Colorful shotgun pellets in ur face
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Edited by Speppo82: 10/20/2014 3:31:07 PMIts not like this weapon is OP, but its a weird weapon because we still dont understand if work better from long distance or from a medium/close range. i test this weapons many times and i stilll cant kill people with one shoot. Same for shotgun, i can kill one guy with 2 shoots, but other people can kill you with one. I dont know if its lag or bugs
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1 ReplyThey need a much wider spread at distance - you would still be able to hit people from range, but you wouldn't be able to kill them in one hit.
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14 Repliesfusion rifles could use a range reduction, other than that, they are fine
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Edited by Chilly: 10/20/2014 3:06:12 PMAnd I thought people were saying Fusion Rifles were worse than shotguns, in terms of killing someone.
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Yes. Even with the charge time I'm able to down most people before they kill me with their auto rifles.
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Its is a clear NO! Same for Shotguns!
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Not OP. With agility you can make em miss pretty well. They are the most annoying guns tho
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I'm going to say fusion rifles are more balanced than shotguns. Sure fusion rifles usually have more range, but if you miss a shot you're almost guaranteed dead. With shotguns, you can just spam the trigger. Also with fusion rifles, you need to charge them up. I would say the only OP type of fusion rifles are the ones with fast charge rate; and even then they can be avoided if you're nimble enough
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Fusion rifles aren't over powered in my opinion. Every special weapon type is capable of a one hit kill in the right situation. For snipers it's a head shot, for shotguns it's close range, for fusion rifles you have to make every shot in the burst a hit because you rarely get the chance for a second one.
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Not really. Otherwise all those shot gunners would have moved onto fusion rifles after the nerf, which they didn't. Your defence doesn't mean anything in pvp unless you were playing iron banner. A level 8 in crucible is just as likely to one shot you as you are it.
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Crucible scales everything so that it is balanced (-ish). Weapon/Armor stats have nothing to do with it at that point. Fusion rifles do have a ludicrous range but if you miss a shot, then you're shit out of luck. By the time the second shot is charged, you're within shotgun range, or you are dead from the continued AR shots.
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Simple solution. Back up a bit, when you are two feet away from a fusion rifle and missing shots/ delayed on shooting him/her, you will get shot. No need to need them just get used to them and you will find flaws. Just like all the players crouching in corners with shotguns, all it takes is a void grenade to the face :)
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Not at all mate.
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It depends on how you use it.
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Yes only the range slightly though. They are king in a 1v1 situation atm but very unreliable vs more than 1 at a time.
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Edited by iainoflo: 10/20/2014 2:39:06 PMYes they are OP. They can one shot at a longer range than is really appropriate in my opinion. And defense means nothing in regular crucible.
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Defense does not come into the crucible, all level's and stats are 'balanced'.
