no offense this is a great theory but the book of sorrows totally disproves this. unless you consider giant draconic worm gods that want to kill everything in existance good. 1.also the guardians were people with a small amount of light in them to begin with and are harnessing it and the light and other energies around them to do stuff. dregs are idiots that will shoot at pretty much anything wether its the darkness or not 2.only the hive is actually the darkness and most of the others came with there own reasons -the fallen are just scavengers who follow the darkness -the cabal are conquerers who want to take us over and got cut off by the darkness -the vex fight the hive and follow them around 3.the speaker is so detached because he literally speaks for the traveller. just because its dormant doesn't mean its completely inactive. that flower is almost definitely speaking from the darknesses point of view and we have proof that the ahamkara(the worm gods) have tried this before possibly because they recognize us as superior to the hive and want us instead plus we have actual proof that something huge came and caused the collapse. the traveller almost defiantly knew the darkness was coming and was helping us prepare for it. once he thought we might have had a chance it did its thing to push back the darkness and give us more time and made the ghosts to raise the guardians to protect it and humanity while it slept. we collect the light it spread to reawaken it.the other aliens don't want to destroy it(except the hive).the fallen want to steal it back as it was their god; the vex want to understand it; and the cabal don't care about it.the hive don't siphon off its light they want it destroyed as they believe it make species weak and lazy again great theory and you did the best with what you had but read the book of sorrows and i think you'll agree we're the good guys. if nothing else its a fascinating read that answers a lot of questions.

I definitely expect that things are not as they seem and something is definitely of evil, perhaps the speaker, perhaps the Traveler. However, I wanted to point out that in the [url=http://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/2gd9lr/i_overheard_a_fallen_dreg_say_something_and_now_i/]Reddit Post[/url], the fallen says "The darkness will cleanse the Earth". Which is interesting because I wasn't entirely sure if the Fallen were of the Darkness or not. Does that indicate they work for the Darkness though, or are simply stating something that will happen, who knows? :)

I always thought of the Traveler as the Darkness. My thoughts are that he causes the collapse of our golden time, and rasputin fought him into a coma. All the other races/nme are actually fighting us to ensure we don't bring him back and are keeping us in lockdown (i.e. prison) at a galactic range. We are the enlightened thralls (once dead soldiers brought back to life by ghost who we obey their every command). Speaker is in on it (but like use he's been indoctrinated) and spreads the lie that traveler is good. Over centuries everyone believes him. We fight for the light -- that doesn't mean we fight to protect it. It means we fight to acquire it (steal it) for ourselves/traveler. Explains why all our classes are named after classic villains (Titan - Greek Baddies, Hunter - Snow White Baddie, Warlock - evil version of a classical wizard), and the nme have the noble names (Wizard, Knight, Acolyte etc).

[quote]Hey community peeps, Something has continually nagged me during my tenure as a Guardian in Destiny. It started with a simple observation regarding the Speaker: This guy seems kind of shady. As my interactions with the Speaker increased sporadically, and then even more so as I ran into him during repeat missions to replay old encounters, the observation grew into a series of questions: Why is this guy acting so shady? Who decided this guy knows what the Traveler intends or wants? Is this guy working FOR the Traveller, or acting as a form of warden perhaps? Just as important: if the Speaker isn't what he is made out to be... What does that mean for my toon's role in this game: past present and future? What does that mean for the creatures/aliens/worlds around us and how they relate to us and vice versa? Here are some general thoughts of my own as well as pieces I've picked up from other sources, some of which may support each other and some of which may contradict each other, but I think they are interesting enough to have bearing on the future of Destiny's story... these are just seeds of thought. Would love to hear thoughts on them from the community. 1. The Traveller "sacrificed himself" to keep humanity safe. From what? From the Darkness that was pursuing to siphon its power. I'm paraphrasing a little. So what are Guardians? Creatures of different races that have learned to siphon the Traveller's power to become more powerful themselves. - Doesn't that sound like the Darkness to you? - Did the Traveller's sacrifice KILL us to begin with to save humanity and itself? - Could our Guardian's motives and intentions before death have been different than what they are post-resurrection? - The following link is from a post from a Reddit user who "startled" a Dreg. The Dreg shouted out "It's the Darkness!" as a response to seeing the user's Guardian: http://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/2gd9lr/i_overheard_a_fallen_dreg_say_something_and_now_i/ Pretty interesting, no? 2. This leads me to the next question: Is the Traveller even a good guy necessarily? - Is it maybe more of a weapon? - Is there a reason why all of these creatures have materialized and are coming after it? Is it a Cold War/Weapons scramble in space? - Are these creatures that WE call the Darkness, possibly trying to save themselves from extinction by destroying the Traveller? 3. Assuming the Traveller is a good guy... what is the Speaker's role? - Why can he not tell us about our past, or the Traveller's past outside of general summary? - Why does he seem so detached? - The Mouth of Sauron - Who says he even speaks on behalf of the Traveller? - Are his actions keeping the Traveller dormant or in some sort of captivity? Is he tapping into its power for his own gains? - Did he resurrect us to rebuild the Traveller's army, and the Fallen/Vex are trying to stop what happened to their systems and ours from happening anywhere else? Are we in a cosmic Custer's Last Stand? - The Grimoire Card labeled as Enemies: The Darkness basically summarizes what The Darkness is from the point of view of different groups on Earth. Some imply that the Traveler itself triggered the Collapse, or that it knew the Darkness was coming for it and hoped to use the Solar System as a sacrifice or a proxy army. From the card marked Legend: The Black Garden - "...At the end of the path grew a flower in the shape of a Ghost. I reached out to pluck it and it cut me with a thorn. I bled and the blood was Light. The Ghost said to me: You are a dead thing made by a dead power in the shape of the dead. All you will ever do is kill. You do not belong here. This is a place of life. The Traveler is life, I said. You are a creature of Darkness. You seek to deceive me. But I looked behind me, down the long slope where the blossoms tumbled in the warm wind and the great trees wept sap like blood or wine, and I felt doubt. When my Ghost raised me from the sea there was a thorn-cut in my left hand and it has not healed since." I think there is a lot of writing between the lines that we aren't picking up both in game and especially in the Grimoire cards. I just want to leave this on a final note: Remember the first Halo game. What did we know about this "robot soldier" Master Chief? Did we know anything about John-117 and what happened to him as a child? Did we know about Catherine Halsey and Cortana's history? Did we identify with Keyes yet, or the Pillar of Autumn, or the incredibly diverse and rich backstory of the Sanghieli and the rest of the Covenant races? How much reading did we have to do outside of the game itself to begin cracking that amazing story open? How many years did that effectively take? Whatever you thought of Reach itself... who else was excited just to see Dr. Halsey rendered at last? The other Spartans in the Spartan programs? The allusions to John's past that you could really only ever put together if you spent time researching? I don't know about you but I feel so grateful to Bungie for going about things the way they did with Halo, I was excited to find out more about the story and to come up with theories and speculate, and so stoked when some turned out to be right. As I'm sure many of you were as well! When you look back on that first game after you've played a few... so many thing were there, but we didn't realize them during those first couple of of playthroughs with no other context. I know to many I am just preaching to the choir, and I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts on some of the ideas above. I know that others aren't happy with the current amount of revealed story, and I certainly understand why those of you would feel that way... but I'm hoping that for at least a few of you this gives you that spark of curiosity I haven't felt since reading some of those Eric Nylund books. Happy gaming and see you at the Tower! Please share your views on this or anything I'm leaving out or overlooked so far![/quote] If you stand around agent Xur long enough you hear him say the darkness is a mirror of the traveller. Rasputin even detected huge gravity waves at the edge of the solar system when it first detected the darkness, as told by a grimoire card.

Well the Speaker is pretty much the only character in game to still wear a helmet at the Tower when everyone else shows their face. Plus he dresses all in white, ominous sign right there. A priests robes for example are all black and the little patch of white they have represents the light within the darkness. The Speaker can tell us about our path but "chooses" not to. The Dreg are morons, he could have easily have said "OMG it's a badger!" and opened fire. That is why they are called Dreg, aka dregs of society.

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