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Edited by Leonidas: 8/10/2014 2:48:00 AM
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Join the fight to save Destiny longevity!!! proximity chat = stronger social community/makes easier to make new friends to raid with = longevity

[b]dont forget to send the link to this post to @DeeJ_BNG and @Bungie on twitter if you agree! [/b] Wow guys the support for this thread is absolutely overwhelming, I just want you to know I love ya guys, I'm sorry if this post comes over a little "Jerkish" (not a word) I wrote it fresh off the beta and I was little upset by the non social aspect of this "social shooter" and just wanted Bungie to know How I felt. It's simply not fair to create a game like this with limited social interaction especially when we need to make new friends for raiding etc... Let's fight, fight fight until we are heard! We are here to stay Bungie, the true majority! Those of us who haven't given up on the true multiplayer experience just because a couple of negative Nacy's want to put all gamers in a box! Most gamers are actually quite pleasant people! The mute button is for those who choose to Troll! This is but the first assault of the solo gamers to destroy Destiny like they have MMOs in the past by turning it into a completely non social experience! Do not listen to the doubters true multiplayer gamers want to easily talk to others and meet new ppl and prox chat makes that all the more easier. [b]Please vote on this poll here! 88% so far want prox chat!!!![/b] http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/65476031/0/0 What lazy design Bungie, so you have a few introverts who don't want to meet new friends within the game space so the whole community should suffer so these people don't have to lift their fingers to press a mute button. There is not a single thing that anyone could say that would explain this being fair, you basically penalized social people to appease non social people who you could have easily appeased with the ability to mute individuals or toggle chat off completely. If you do decide to add prox chat to the game as you should, please make it the default so new players won't come into this social experience thinking no one wants to talk to them, if it is not the default many new players will not know its there and will assume nothing has changed since the beta and the social experience will suffer for it, however those who don't want to chat will definitely looks for a toggle off switch . People who only want to play and talk to there friends already have party and fireteam chat and again you can give them a mute option or chat off option as well. More ppl should be like this man! A feature that's not for you, but doesn't hurt others (with a mute button) should not be excluded just cause! [quote][b]I'm fine with this, don't really care, i'll still keep the mute on either way. I'm sure bungie realizes this, i doubt they are not going to implement for those reasons[/quote][/b] [quote]I'm actually surprised theirs no proximity chat or zone chat its my biggest problem with the game why even have a tower with 12 other people if no body can communicate also text chat really everyone got mics with there system this would be a useless addition[/quote] [quote]I hope Bungie at least decides to give us an option to turn it on or off. There's valid arguments on both sides, so at least give us the option to decide for ourselves.[/quote] Great counter point here to those who think the current system is social enough [quote]When was the last time you accepted a random game invite?[/quote] Good point here [quote]AGREED. Prox chat should be in! Arguments to the contrary have no validity, why? With the appropriate options everyone gets it their way. People opposing chat options are one of two things, lazy "i'm to lazy to toggle chat on/off" "i'm already in a FT/raid group and can't hear you anyway" or outright d!cks! Prox chat/chat options have been a staple (granted not without their issues) of multiplayer gaming for years now. But to roll up to the next gen and throw the baby out with the bathwater seems like overkill to me, and i would bet many others. Your welcome.[/quote] [quote]To the vocal minority opposing proximity chat... The most common argument in opposition to prox chat seems to be, "just wave and invite them to your FT." Easier said than done, for example. I must have run ten strike missions, and through matchmaking was grouped with twenty other guardians over the course of those ten missions. As a rule, i would wave, buddy jump, and quickly send FT invites to my strike mates, to better coordinate, call for revival etc. etc. during said strike. Of those twenty guardians, two from separate strikes joined my FT. Now, your experience may have been much different in comparison to mine, but that does not change MY experience. What a terrible ratio!!! You can argue, and rationalize all you want. It was like pulling teeth. The system for communication in destiny is a glaring mistake (imho) in an otherwise amazing product. I feel as a community we should be given an official vote handled by bungie for the definitive consensus we deserve on this major issue. I hope i didn't offend anyone, lol. Thank you.[/quote]

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  • The fact this thread even exists is retarded. Someone in Bungie had the biggest failure in logic in recent gaming memory. "Oh, it's to eliminate trolling!" That's so [i]weak[/i] man. The mute botton exists for stupid troll kiddies. Multiple different options for how proximity chat is handled/limited to bypasses that entire arguement. The final nail in the coffin came form a comment in the provided polling link form OP. [quote]One feature I would add to the prox. chat is a kind of karma system where if someone gest muted by some number of people in a period of time that they are muted in-game for everyone except for players in their fire team if they are in one. Over time their Karma would get better and they would be unmuted until they would get muted enough to go over the threshold again.[/quote] Please Bungie. You heard us about the Space Wizard. You did the ice bucket challenge. Let us be the type of creature that we all are at our core: Social. Games amazing! But Having to shoot some random kid on the map repeatedly to get his attention, then shoot at a corner of the map repeatedly again to convey, "Hey I found a chest! Let's share the loot!" Gets real old.

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    • I'll make do if I have to. Better in game chat would be appreciated. I'm hoping I'll meet people in game, but aren't random group requests rude? Whatever, I'll make do.

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      • Edited by jlemale_fr: 8/10/2014 3:03:23 AM
        I would love a chat yeah but I'm a bit worried too haha.. The only communication I had was in the tower. I guy playing with a ball. I was trying to get the ball and he sent me on psn message (or whatever you call the playstation message :p) "dont touch it bastard".. So obviously... I touched it more.. "you suck d***" ! he said.. So ok for a chat but a mute option would be sweet too..!

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        • yes cause I want to hear a bunch of kids screaming....why not just make some friends and have a fireteam?

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          • It would be better if you could target someone and if they accept, be able to chat with them. Combined with an LFG flag next to your name, this would avoid the trolling that would come with proximity chat, and the overlapping conversations that would intrude on you fire team.

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            • Edited by Dar Katan: 8/10/2014 2:52:21 AM
              Ya, this poll means nothing for your cause. All it means is that there is a small "vocal" (see what I did there) group that want it. [b]What these forum polls do not show is how many people don't even want to waste their time having to vote no on a poll they don't care about.[/b] This is the problem with all of these community driven polls. It is not a truly random sampling and it is not even close to being an accurate representation of the community. I understand there are people who are becoming passionate about this topic, but stop trying to find a way to conjure up support. Destiny longevity has nothing to do with proximity chat. If it did, Destiny has bigger problems. Defiance has proximity chat and do you honestly think that is what keeps people playing? It will be the gameplay of Destiny that will secure its longevity. Stop this hyperbolic nonsense. Add people to your friends list, use the forums or join a clan. Bungie is a group that would—I have no doubt—have painstakingly dealt with every little detail of this game, including the problems and benefits of proximity chat.

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              • I agree

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              • If I'm playing a game, I'm usually in party chat or have headphones on listening to podcasts or music. I honestly can't remember the last time I used social chat in a game because it's either people screaming, blaring music, little kids getting yelled at, babies crying (I have my own, I don't want to hear yours), and people being straight up jackasses. I'll just stick to my party chat or podcasts.

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                • Bump! I'm not done fighting tonight! Come at me bra!

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                • Edited by Nick Peck: 7/30/2014 7:51:31 PM
                  I love how people push for this, then after a short while everyone ends up turning it off because it's crazy annoying. I hope they leave an off button there, I can't stand prox chat in any games lol. But hey, I don't mind options at all.

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                  • Edited by Exidaun: 8/10/2014 2:33:12 AM
                    I don't care if Bungie implements proximity chat or not, but two points: 1. Proximity chat would be bad when a few people are trying to have one conversation, other people could be trying to have a conversation of their own, which creates a problem. 2. Bungie would have to add this to the game with one month left before release. They would need time to test it to make sure there are no problems. Yes, one argument could be that it could come in the form of an update, but think now, not then. That's pretty much it, I have no problems either way, with, or without proximity chat.

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                    • Edited by Kekyoin's Underwater Donut: 8/10/2014 4:19:58 AM
                      There was an opt to add a "Quick chat" to the game earlier in the topic that involved using your emotes to start conversations. Such as holding the wave button while facing someone to invite them to a chat (not just a fireteam) then they could wave back and accept it. Then when they say goodbye they can hold wave again and be on their way. Or they an invite them to a fireteam. We could also implement prox chat of course. Any other suggestions? If something like this could be added it would be a great addition. But honestly, if Bungie focused on nothing but this we wouldn't have a great game. So let's leave this for a later iteration of Destiny (Destiny 2 perhaps?) and just make sure Bungie knows were still asking for it. Seeya Traveler-side guardians! Edit: Actually this sounds interesting but might not be the best implementation. If anything we can either go all the way with proximity chat or not at all, why compromise when that is a better way to do it. Here's hoping Bungie will add it!

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                    • Yea, you lost me as soon as you opened your post with OMG as I assume the rest of your iliad is relentless crying about how bungie failed you.

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                      • Lol too lazy to hit a mute button... What about being too lazy to invite to fire team? To lazy to invite to party chat, or the xbox equivalent..

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                        • bungie will never give you an answer unfortunately. you gotta find out on the 9th. :/

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                          • I freaking love this community! I can't to talk to you all in game via proximity chat if Bungie does the right thing!

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                          • If they don't put proximity chat in solo explore will get boring real quick and strikes will just be stupid at high lvls

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                            • Edited by ScottOnSheppey: 7/31/2014 1:00:13 AM
                              [quote]What lazy design [u]community[/u], so you have a few introverts who don't want to [u]go into party chat[/u] within the game space so the whole [u]of Bungie Development team[/u] should suffer so these people don't have to lift their fingers to [u]go and do what they have been doing for every other game[/u]. There is not a single thing that anyone could say that would explain this being fair, you basically penalized [u]normal gamers[/u] to appease [u]fat lazy people[/u] who you could have easily appeased with the ability to [u]the standard party chat[/u]. If you do decide to add prox chat to the game [u]as fat lazy people think you should[/u], please make it [u]as difficult as possible to get to[/u] so [u]the lazy ones have to fight to find it and wonder if it was all worth it[/u], if it is not [u]difficult[/u] many [u]lazy gamers [/u] will not know [u]the struggle Bungie had to go through and put it into the game[/u], since the beta and the social experience [u]would work perfectly fine without it[/u], however those who [u]do use the standard party chat, will witness better patches made for the game, as Bungie didn't waste it's time on something pointless like "proximity chat"[/u].[/quote] FIX'D

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                              • Went 40+ hours on the beta thinking no one wanted to talk to me :,( This revelation makes me feel extremely awkward about a number of conversations I appear to have had with myself throughout that period of time...

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                                • How about the option to turn on the mic?....I don't want to have to be bothered with mute...I have a game to play and don't want dicks ruining my experience.

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                                  • It's not a vote anymore. Why is this still being discussed? On the same coin, are you guys too lazy to just invite someone to your fire team to chat? Do you know how ANNOYING the tower would be with proximity chat? My GOD. I am trying to be anti social here. I don't want to hear you -Blam!- -Blam!- while you -Blam!- the -Blam!-ing -Blam!- or I WILL PUT MY -Blam!- so far IN your -Blam!-, and yes I do mean IN and not Up, that you are going to TINKLE EVERY TIME I Hit the fire button while playing destiny.

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                                    • Me: Oh goin to kill myself a Dreg today lalalalala........ Other guy: DAD I NEED MY DIAPER CHANGED DAAAAAAAAD!...... Me: what the hell? Other guy: DAD?! DADDY!? Other guy: WHAT THE HELL DO YOU WANT!? Me: oh shite better get out of this area before his baby momma comes!

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                                      • Edited by Khârn the Betrayer: 8/10/2014 1:59:27 AM
                                        Proximity chat default on because a couple of lazy people don't want to turn it on manually. Unless it's default off, I should not have to break my gameplay just to mute asshats every damn session. Rather not have it at all if it requires me to mute you.

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                                      • Starting a post with accusations and assumption may not be the best course of action. I will +1 the idea of prox chat but we can all be more constructive in our feedback.

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