[quote]That's right. For those of you who do not know any better, let me say that again. Microsoft owned Halo. In 2007 when Bungie became an independent company, people say Bungie gave away the rights to Halo. This is a misconception. Bungie never owned Halo since they were bought by Microsoft. Microsoft has owned Halo for well over a decade now. Therefore regardless of how Bungie wished to expand or publicize, it was Microsoft's choice. [/quote] Let me start right here. Yes Microsoft owned the rights to Halo when they owned Bungie, however when Bungie split from Microsoft they no longer owned the rights to Halo. Which is why Bungie sold their rights to Halo to 343. A Company that is owned by Microsoft. Now lets not sit here and act like Microsoft never did anything wrong during their time with Bungie. [quote]Yikes, sounds like there’s some bad blood between Halo Wars dev team “Ensemble Studios”, Microsoft, and Bungie: “Microsoft was pretty risk averse and they said, ‘I don’t know if we want to take the risk of creating strategy games on a console. We’d feel better if Halo were attached to it.’ The difficult part of that was it took the game back about a year in development, and I think it never quite turned out the same. They just said, ‘Why don’t you just paint over what you have with Halo stuff?’ But things aren’t quite that simple,” – Ensemble founder Tony Goodman Apparently Microsoft wasn’t the only one putting pressure on the former Age of Empires developer though… “Another problem was that Bungie was never up for it… Bungie was kind of sore about the idea. What they called it was ‘the whoring out of our franchise’ or something. Yeah, that didn’t create a great relationship between us and Bungie; they viewed us as someone infringing [on their franchise],” Unfortunately Ensemble isn’t around anymore and Goodman has moved onto better things, but he still claims that Halo Wars is a grossly underrated product. Here’s to hoping that Microsoft doesn’t pressure developers like this in the future…[/quote] Wow look at that, Microsoft made Bungie do something that they didn't want to do. Who would have guessed right. You need to stop being so melodramatic my friend. [quote] So now. We are in 2013, and we have emerged from the darkness. I came to this website every single day during the darkness. This is because I was loyal to Bungie, I felt valued, loved the community, and couldn't wait to see what would come out next. Throughout the darkness, those of us here were promised time and time again that we would not be forgotten, that we would be 'rewarded' for staying here. 'Rewarded' for being good members of the community and sticking it through to the end. We would be 'rewarded' for being test subjects of the new forums. [/quote] You supported Bungie on a console that they had to use to develop their games becasue they were not allowed to work on any other console becasue of Microsoft. You didn't support Bungie, you supported Microsoft becasue at the time Halo was made Bungie was still part of Microsoft. Bungie didn't become it's own entity until they split from Microsoft back in 2007. So this talk about being loyal to Bungie is nothing more then you being over dramatic. You told me in another thread that Bungie sold there right to Halo becasue they wanted to work on another game and that they didn't want to work on another Halo. Ok I see that and I have this Quote for you. [quote]"We've been working on this game since well before Halo Reach shipped," Bungie's Chris Butcher tells Wired.co.uk. "We kicked off in 2009 and we'd already been working on it for more than a year," adds Bungie COO Pete Parsons, "and many of the ideas we have go back to 2002." [/quote] So Bungie has been working on Destiny since before Reach and the idea has been tossed around since before Halo 2. If Bungie really wanted to work on their own thing then why didn't they sale their rights to Halo once they split up with Microsoft. The fact that they made Reach showed that Bungie did have a desire to make more Halo games they just wanted to make other games, but apparently Microsoft didn't like that idea. [quote]You know that big ol BILLION dollar franchise Bungie has created for Microsoft, to show their appreciate Microsoft is letting Bungie leave. Of course Microsoft gets to keep all rights to the Halo franchise, but as today Bungie no longer part of Microsoft. Ask anyone who works there to search the global address book, they’re no longer in there. Microsoft was supposed to release the press release today but if they wait till the 10/6 the impact wont effect the quarterly results. However today is the actual official date and the day the NDAs expire, however you still didn’t hear this from me. Apparently MS just wants Bungie to make Halo for the rest of their natural days, and Bungie doesn’t like how MS is constantly trying to “handle” everything they do; the way they market their games, the way they interact with their fans (basically the fact that they do appreciate their fans), and how stingie they are with the profits (comparable to the rest of the industry). So as of today they are their own independent entity. They’ll probably make Halo 4 for Microsoft, however hey are also free to create new intellectual properties for whatever system they want. (Even though they prefer the xbox platform) What a way to say thank you. [/quote] But let's get to the heart of the argument. You already should know why Bungie announced Destiny on the PS4 and it has something to do with this. [quote]Destiny developer Bungie and Sony have been doing business together longer than you think. Also, we have learned just how long Destiny’s PlayStation-only content will remain exclusive. According to TechRadar, Bungie, the company behind Destiny and creators of the original Halo series, have been working with Sony for quite some time. Bungie originally broke a longtime partnership with Microsoft back in 2007 after the release of Halo 3. As per their closing arrangements, Bungie went on to make Halo 3: ODST and Halo: Reach. After closing its chapters in the Halo series, Bungie has gone on to make Destiny, and has been working closely with Sony ever since, despite plans for the game’s multi-console release. In a shocking twist, we have learned that Bungie helped Sony develop its DualShock 4 controller for the PlayStation 4.[/quote] That's right Bungie was allowed to help Sony in their development of the PS4 controller. Not to mention that Bungie and Sony has agreed to a partnership and you wonder why Bungie is showing off the PS4. It's becasue that's what Sony paid them to do. [quote]And now we have the Beta. The Beta received for preordering Destiny... huh. Bnet, did you know that at 0900 last Spring I waited outside of my Gamestop for it to open so I could preorder the game? I have little doubt I was the first person in the midwest to preorder it. I told the cashier I wanted to preorder this game. He said he never heard of it. I looked at my watch and told him it was a game that was going to be announced in around an hour or two, but since it's in their systems I wanted to preorder it. He looked it up and there it was. He claimed they didn't have the poster. So I walked back to my apartment- a 30 minute walk one way, by the way, and they called me back saying they did have them. So I walked back, got it, and back home again. All in all, it was around a 2 1/2 hour adventure... just because of how excited I was. I'm actually known at the store as the Destiny guy, now, because I answer questions for the guys working there about it and the likes. They recognize me, even. My friends make fun because of how I talk about the game, wear the shirt, etc. [/quote] You do understand that you we only guaranteed the beta with your preorder. Your beta length wasn't guaranteed. You are starting to sound like the split screen guys now and I know that not who you are. Again Bungie doesn't have to give us the beta to begin with and the only reason why the Playstation is getting more days is becasue Sony paid for it. It's just like how Microsoft paid Activision for the Call of Duty DLCs. Now I know that this isn't Call of Duty but the premise remains the same. Companies like Microsoft and Sony give money to game developers so they can have exclusives. That's something that I personally do not like but it's something that is apart of business. [quote]Due to the fact that I have been with Bungie for 12 years; due to the fact that I followed them and got an Xbox 360 largely to stay with them because I felt the company valued its community as a whole; and due to the fact that I became so engrossed in this community that it became a part of my REAL life as well... I am told that I don't matter. This is a turn from the early years. When Bungie moved from the computer to the Xbox, it was due to needing superior hardware and because Halo was no longer their property- they merely developed it. But Bungie is independent now. They chose to enter these deals with Activision and Sony. They chose to tell their most loyal fanbase that it needs to sit down and be quiet. And this goes against everything Bungie has stood for over the past decade.[/quote] Dude lets be real here. You weren't loyal to Bungie when the first Halo came out, you were loyal to Halo which you said was owned by Microsoft. We all became loyal to Bungie in 2007 when they became their own independent company. That's the truth of the matter. And while I'm not questioning your loyalty I will ask you why the hell are you mad. I would understand if you weren't getting to play this game but that's not the case here. Bungie is making it for the Xbox, you will be able to play this game on your console.