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"It's just metadata"

[url]http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/03/volunteers-in-metadata-study-called-gun-stores-strip-clubs-and-more/[/url] Stanford researchers devised a way to emulate the NSA's [url=http://bigstory.ap.org/article/senators-limit-nsa-snooping-us-phone-records]collection [/url] [url=http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-records-verizon-court-order]of[/url] [url=http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140312/14111926555/nsa-decides-it-wants-to-hold-metadata-indefinitely-asks-fisa-court-to-reverse-decision-telling-it-to-destroy-records.shtml]citizens'[/url] [url=http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/23/nsa-barack-obama-phone-data-collection-illegal-privacy-board]metadata[/url] with an Android app. It allowed them access to each participant's communication data: text data, date and time, the number they called, duration of the call, etc... Here's some of the information they were able to gather:[quote]Participant A communicated with multiple local neurology groups, a specialty pharmacy, a rare condition management service, and a hotline for a pharmaceutical used solely to treat relapsing multiple sclerosis. Participant B spoke at length with cardiologists at a major medical center, talked briefly with a medical laboratory, received calls from a pharmacy, and placed short calls to a home reporting hotline for a medical device used to monitor cardiac arrhythmia. Participant C made a number of calls to a firearm store that specializes in the AR semiautomatic rifle platform. They also spoke at length with customer service for a firearm manufacturer that produces an AR line. In a span of three weeks, Participant D contacted a home improvement store, locksmiths, a hydroponics dealer, and a head shop. Participant E had a long, early morning call with her sister. Two days later, she placed a series of calls to the local Planned Parenthood location. She placed brief additional calls two weeks later, and made a final call a month after.[/quote]So the next time someone tries to justify what the NSA, GCHQ, and other rogue organisations do because "it's just metadata" they're collecting and analysing, or "it's not sensitive", call them on their bullshit and tell them to shut up. The collection of metadata such as this so as not to supposedly violate privacy is such utter crap; it's a smokescreen that permits the government to pry into every facet of your life.

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    Also information people willing put on their social media accounts...

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  • I'd Like to read this, but I am too busy being the MVP on the winning team in Titanfall FOR OVER 10 GAMES

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  • "I will let the government intrude on its citizen's lives until [i]I[/i] feel uncomfortable with it."

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  • Edited by HurtfulTurkey: 3/14/2014 2:25:17 AM
    This isn't what the government did though. They collected the data and then used a program to find links to know terrorist phone numbers. Nobody had access to any of the data without a warrant after a connection was found.

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  • [quote]In a span of three weeks, Participant D contacted a home improvement store, locksmiths, a hydroponics dealer, and a head shop.[/quote] I wonder what this guy was up to. . .

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    • [quote] Participant C made a number of calls to a firearm store that specializes in the AR semiautomatic rifle platform. They also spoke at length with customer service for a firearm manufacturer that produces an AR line. In a span of three weeks, Participant D contacted a home improvement store, locksmiths, a hydroponics dealer, and a head shop. [/quote] C&D was just camnator using two different phones.

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      • Edited by TechnoKat: 3/13/2014 11:18:01 AM
        I see these posts and I split up into two mindsets A: who cares? They have my data, whoopdiedo. I mean here I am, living my life. Completely unaffected by this fact and nothing bad has happened yet. And B: why do they have it? What's so important and dangerous about the average US citizen that warrants this? Am I suddenly gonna snap and mystically conjure up the funds and backing to plot a multipronged violent terrorist attack against the Pentagon, White House and the rest of the country? Just stop! Either way I'm not entirely sure I care... To be honest.

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        • Little ironic to have this posted by a forum mod of a site which itself uses a number of tracking providers ? I know, bungie would see themselves as a "little brother" (rather than the evil Big Brother) but these profile tools can be accessed just the same, for example through the sites google and twitter tracking. For a small subscription anyone (call themselves "marketing") can view these profiles. Same with pictures. Log on here with your unlinked "bungie" account, upload a picture and the metadata within that picture can be linked quickly with photo's taken on that same device which appear using a less anonymous accounts. One useful public application of this metedata are those stolen camera/phone sites - upload a picture and they show sites containing image taken on that same device. But don't get paranoid. Like living in the "real world" you just need to walk quietly. Being attractive/loud/abusive in real life [b]and[/b] online will get you attention, sometime unwanted attention. And just as in real life you should be mindful o not connecting the dots too easily ... wearing a dark cloak or deep hat will not work in real life - same online, an "anonymous" account alone will not hide you identity. And yes, "little brother" is just as evil as "Big Brother" ... and often more creepier.

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        • It's sad the government even cares about this.

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        • Respect earned. And you are right

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        • Edited by Banned n3rd: 3/13/2014 7:01:41 PM
          You just earned a little bit of my respect.

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          • That's pretty interesting, mister Ninja OP. Also, I'm pretty certain some clause(s) in the Constitution prohibit general warrants, which is what that major outbreak of "spying" was, and so that major outbreak of "spying" is outright illegal. However, everyone seems to hate the Constitution and everyone seems to think that we should throw it away and make a new one because it's "outdated", but then it would almost certainly allow for that type of "spying" to be legal anyways.

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          • I still don't mind them collecting metadata. This was all human analysis of the calls. On the scale they are collecting, you would have to employ over half the country to weed through the info and produce reports like this. If they have someone they are worried about causing mayhem, a report like this may be very important. These are all records others have on you already anyway. I don't feel any better or worse about my telephone company having them. That said, the things the NSA has reportedly been doing beyond collecting metadata are shocking and I do not support. Tapping into Google data pipelines, viruses, etc. But if they scaled back to just collecting call metadata, I would be indifferent to it.

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          • Too much reading.

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          • MUH FREEDUMS!

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          • Edited by A3LeggedBurrito: 3/13/2014 11:02:07 PM
            Wow, 546 people. Now make that number over 100 million and see how plausible it is to obtain such personal information about all those people. EDIT: Well, not necessarily obtain, but have people actually observe and analyze this information.

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            • Finally, someone got tired of their "IT'S METADATA LOL" excuse and put it to the test. Either way, spying is necessary. It's unfortunate, but necessary. I do not, however, agree with them not getting warrants and all for when they really dig into people's lives. Will this morph into a program with which to control the populace and stop any form of revolt against a corrupt and criminal government? It already has. Which is why we need good, honest people getting into politics. There is no better way to serve your country than to take it back from the upper class.

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              • So if I use Jeffrey's EXIF viewer I'm evil? Aw damn.

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              • Nothing to hide, nothing to fear. I bet OP is a terrorist, someone call the FBI!

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                • "Muh 4th amendment, Muh freedoms!!!" Sounds familiar, but I just can't place it.... - Der

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                  • Ironically, I've seen you argue in favor of government intrusion many times in the past. Why all of the sudden do you have a problem with this?

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                    • Obama doesn't care.

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