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Edited by RighteousTyrant: 1/16/2013 5:22:01 PM
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Do "assault weapons" bans work? A statistician's view.

[quote]Now let’s look at the shaded region on the plot, which is the time the Orwellian-named “Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act”, i.e. “‘Assault’3 Weapons Ban”, was in force, from 13 September 1994 until the same date in 2004. [u]There does not appear to be much correlation between this ban and the homicide rate: homicides both decrease and increase during the time which it was in force.[/u][/quote] Much more at the link above. [b][u]In short, the 1994 assault weapons ban accomplished nothing[/u][/b] that can be discerned from looking at various trends in violent crimes. And yet we're being told that it is the solution (to what problem?). *sigh*

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  • Quick question can you cause the same damage with another item?

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    • I'm still curious as to why people want to own assault weapons in the first place.

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      • Here's what I know: > Popularity of violent video games increases > Guns proliferate in the United States > Overall violence in real life decreases > A couple of psychopaths go crazy and do psychopath things > Politicians scream BAN GUNS AND VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES It's the state of fear all over again.

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        • There's no solid proof that gun control=less crime. England bans guns and the gun-related crimes goes down Mexico bans guns and the violence is out of control Switzerland has NO gun control and every home has at least one gun but there's no major violence

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          • LOL some findings from the anti-gun crowds demanded CDC investigation into gun violence, doesnt help their case much tbh. [quote]* According to the FBI Uniform Crime Reporting Program, between 2007 and 2011, over 600,000 people reported facing an assailant armed with a gun. * According to the FBI, 3% of firearm assaults known to police result in a death. * According to a Pew Survey, “the vast majority of gun owners say that having a gun makes them feel safer. And far more today than in 1999 cite protection – rather than hunting and other activities – as the main reason for why they own guns” (Pew Research Center, 2013) * Four studies have been done showing that crime victims who actively used a gun to defend themselves had lower rates of injury than crime victims who did not use guns to defend themselves - Kleck 1988; Kleck and DeLone 1993; Tark and Kleck 2004; and Southwick 2000. * Defensive gun use is a fact but it is difficult to count accurately. * The National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) has estimated that there are between 60,000 and 105,000 DGUs per year. Between the years 1992 and 1994, the NCVS reported there were in total 116,000 DGUs. * Kleck and Gertz (1995) estimated the annual occurrence of DGUs to be around 2.5 million per year. * The CDC report made no effort to reconcile the differing estimates of DGUs, except to note that the estimate provided by the Kleck group was larger by an order of magnitude than the estimate arising from the NCVS. The CDC report noted that the estimate of DGU provided by the Kleck group is twice again as large as the estimate of the Dept. of Justice that there are 1.3 million crimes committed with a gun in the USA every year. * According to the CDC report: “The 2005 National Research Council study found no persuasive evidence from available studies that passage of right to carry laws decrease or increase violent crime. ”[/quote]

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          • Where can I get me one of those?

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            • If I wanted an automatic weapon, I could just talk with some less than nice people, shell out a few hundred bucks, and walk away with an auto-enabled AK47. Making it illegal will just mean than no one who obeys the law can own one, and it's too late to ban them so they don't leak into the grey/black markets. (Fortunately I live in a state where, for about $600, I can get an automatic weapon permit).

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            • Quick question, Do criminals follow the law?

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              • The first ban absolutely had a positive effect. Of course that was back in the 20's... Nowadays? Its hard to say. The AR-15 design is certainly the gun of choice for the rampage shooter. In the last 5 shootings, its been in 3 or 4 of them. That said, people are more likely to be killed by MULTIPLE lightening strikes than be killed in a mass shooting. To my knowledge we have yet to attempt to ban lightening storms... What I would like to see is a study on why a certain type of individual does a rampage shooting, and then see what steps we can do at a societal level to prevent that. When someone flips out, they hurt people. A firearm just allows them to hurt more, and more fatally. Rather than mitigate the damage, I'd like to go to the cause and solve the problem. If you live in near a river that floods, you can waterproof your house (the equivalent of banning assault weapons) or you can build a dam by the river (solving rampage incidents). Though, I would also like a dial back in the rhetoric on both sides of the debate. When Sandy Hook happened it seemed like there was a race between the NRA and Congressional Democrats as to who could say the dumbest thing quickest. I don't remember who won, if it was the "Arm everybody" or "Ban everything" camp, as if it made a difference.

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              • err merh gerd, its gonna go on a rampage, gotta ban it.

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              • A TO THE K TO THE 4 TO THE 7 LITTLE DEVILS DON'T GO TO HEAVEN

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              • Edited by addiecorps: 10/6/2013 2:17:26 AM
                Lol

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              • Banning "assault weapons" makes about as much sense as banning cars with spoilers.

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              • Edited by Emacs: 10/10/2013 4:07:05 AM
                I don't know why people have a problem with these rifles, or believe that banning any inanimate object will fix a problem. The same rifles are in the hands of civilians in Canada, Germany, Switzerland, etc, and none of those places have the issues people are complaining about in the United states. If it were simply a matter of these firearms being legal, then these same problems would exist in these other places.

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                • ITT: Massive amounts of bias and butthurt

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                • Why don't we compare gun homicide statistics from the USA to Canada?

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                  • Edited by Dudley Tiddywink: 10/5/2013 10:51:09 AM
                    dat blog edit: also gotta love the highlight reel on his classic posts page: [quote]-Diversity: The Dumbest Idea Ever? -Equality: I (its impossibility) -Gay Marriage. The Argument Against Same-Sex Marriage[/quote] you might as well link a conservapedia article with that kind of bias on display

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                    • Edited by A Forum Cop: 10/5/2013 5:04:37 PM
                      You know why an "assault weapons"* ban won't work? Because most shooting happen when gangs shoot each other with handguns. *- put in quotes because it doesn't accurately describe firearms.

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                    • Edited by A Squeaky Pooltoy: 10/5/2013 4:09:16 PM
                      Focusing on guns is a superficial answer to a much more fundamental problem, but it agrees with politics so politicians push it. As the saying goes, where there is a will there is a way, so banning guns wouldn't stop the really determined and messed up people. Further, historically in the US, banning things has had very much not the effect that was desired, i.e. Prohibition and the War on Drugs.

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                    • Well, one major event happened, so clearly laws need to change. Why try to help those with mental health issues, when we can take weapons away from those who did nothing wrong?

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                    • Not to mention that even using the phrase "assault weapons" with a straight face labels one as an idiot.

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                    • I wish politicians would quit trying to solve everything with laws.

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                    • People who want to do illegal things with those weapons will just [i]get them illegally[/i]. Not only that, but I could buy a simple high-powered rifle which is exactly the same as an assault weapon, only without the special additions onto it. Same bullets, same power, just looks different and doesn't have a couple of nice things attached. I'll say it once and continue to say it, I'm all for banning automatic weapons. We don't need machine guns. But, banning these types of weapons do nothing. I'm also for tighter control. Nothing wrong with being a little more secure. However, these weapons aren't even the most used in crimes. Those guns are typically handguns. This will effectively do nothing but piss people off.

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                      • No.

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                      • Liberal here, not in support of weapon bans. Bans based on how a weapon looks is laughably ridiculous.

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                        • Jesus, I think if I produced a report of such a low quality I'd be sacked. He never actually once looks at the incidence of homicide with assault weapons. The best he manages is "other weapons". He also ignores that obama's proposals go a lot further than the AWB, invalidating the comparison. Flawed analysis and flawed interpretation. He's not a statistician, by any stretch of the imagination, he must be an economist.

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