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originally posted in:Secular Sevens
3/19/2014 3:01:02 PM
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Can Republicans recover from the Tea Party?
For the entirety of my adult life, the GOP has been re-defined from the inside out. To outsiders like myself, the Republican party appears to be the party against science, education, women, immigrants, lgbts, anything not Christian, poor, and a myriad of other things, all the while preaching "smaller government" and "personal freedom."
Granted, there are plenty of Republicans, both elected and registered, that don't support those things. They are Republicans who support fiscal responsibility, [i]actual [/i]smaller government, and [i]real [/i]personal freedom. The problem with being associated with the fundamental religious right that also fall under the same umbrella is they are tacitly approving of the positions held by those they share the name with.
[b]What can the traditional Republicans do to take back their name?[/b]
Do the Tea Party need to form their own third party and separate from the GOP? I know they wont do that because that means they'll never get elected again. Third parties [almost] never get elected; I can count the number of non-democrats or non-republicans in Congress on one hand.
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The problem isn't the tea party. The Republican Party had become the party of obstructionism and no longer works for the American people. They've tried to repeal Obamacare 52 times, preventing real legislation from being passed. They need to be purged.
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I can see libertarianism becoming a strong force one day.
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7 RepliesPersonally, since the two party system is so established that it requires any attempt at a 3rd party to immediately align and integrate itself with one of the two in order to have a voice or be somewhat relevant, I am hoping to see a non-party movement. Simply put, I would be thrilled to see a non-party related "anti-incumbent" movement. Regardless of party, if the person up for re-election has not delivered, then vote for their opponent. As an electorate, we're too inclined to keep incompetents, insiders and professional politicians in office simply due to recognizing their name or going with the idea that "a known evil is better than an unknown one". Term in office should be a test of the individual and if they don't deliver when they had the chance? Fire their ass and get someone else in who would then understand that if they don't do anything, they too will be out on their ass come the next election. The fear of "the party other than my own" is what puts people into office for decades and leads to corruption, inaction and more attention being focused on getting re-elected than actually doing the work you were hired to do in the first place. Of course, this would require people to ignore party when voting, and with folks so polarized and blinded by what they believe are binary and polar opposites, we get entrenched and do-nothing representation.
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4 RepliesThread should be "Can Republicans recover from their own party?"
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8 RepliesWell for one, Romney only lost the election by like 2% and he had Paul Ryan. If Romey were a bit more open to gay marriage then he could have easily won the election [quote]Republican party appears to be the party against science, education, women, immigrants, lgbts, anything not Christian, poor, and a myriad of other things[/quote] Except this is false brainwashing conducted by the liberal media. If you actually believe this then you are no different from the [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] who believed in a Aryan race
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[quote]What can the traditional Republicans do to take back their name? [/quote] What the whole point of elections are: Those who call themselves Republicans should advocate their ideas on key issues and not necessarily back a certain issue because of their party. I'm registered Republican, but I voted for Obama in 2012 simply because I didn't know where Romney stood on anything, he licked his finger and stuck it in the air and whichever direction the wind blew is where he went. I stand with the party because I actually do want smaller government and personal freedom, but that does involve me turning my back on the religious Reagan-Zombies that the Tea Party is made out of. That's okay by me because I was never religious to begin with. In short: The Republican Party should be more like me. The world should be more like me actually, I'm perfect.
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3 RepliesCan the U.S. ever recover from Obama?
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1 ReplyPolitical parties evolve over time. Of course the Republicans will look different decades from now. It's anecdotal but I believe the likes of Ron Paul and Rand Paul will be vanguards for a future Republican Party. A lot of social issues like gay marriage are closed and shut cases. You cannot win a presidential election by bashing the gays and being anti-abortion or anti-separation of church and state. As for 2016 the Tea Party brand will still exist. I have a hard time envisioning a scenario where Obama's successor is a Republican. We'll see what happens later this year with the midterms though. 2012 saw the GOP lose the presidential election, they couldn't take control of the Senate, and they lost seats in the House. That was a major blow to the Tea Party.
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3 RepliesI hope not.
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no look wat happened to buzz lightyear and he is a space ranger that doesnt afraid of anything
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Neither side could recover. The democrat party is equally against science, education, women, immigrants and homosexuals. I'm just sick of seeing phony republicans claiming to be libertarian.
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3 RepliesIt's impossible. They will have to commit suicide and then reform under a new name. I actually do think that most Republicans favor science over religion, think that basic equality is a right, and while they may not agree with abortion, they see it as the law of the land and accept it. The problem is that among the vocal, they are a minority. To top it, they see the way to power is through not breaking ranks with their party. The vocal majority is now the fringe, and the name has come to mean what you described. The only way is to leave the name and form a new party, one that is more representative of what they are. Then, after a few years have past and the extremists self destruct, they come in and reclaim the Republican name. This has all happened before, and it will happen again.
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Edited by M37h3w3: 3/21/2014 6:02:37 AMI suggested that the moderates and non-crazies in the party splinter off and take the RINO name for their own. Bit of ol' Yankee Doodle for them. I really do think that our spending needs to be reigned back, that we need more efficient programs, and that we need to end crap such as TSA patdowns and sanctioned government spying. [quote]poor,[/quote] Nah Max, the GOP isn't for poor people, they are for rich people. I know it's hyperbole when I say that they are goddam Muppets for the Koch Brothers, since the K Bros have their hands up their bums directing them what to say, but sometimes I start to think it's actually true. They are just using the poor and uneducated as means to their ends since they need more votes than the rich alone can provide.
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2 RepliesOutside of the US? I don't think so. Republicans are almost synonymous with "that crazy conservative gun loving party". I doubt that's going to change any time soon.
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6 RepliesBetter question: can the USA recover from the two-party system?
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31 RepliesHalf of the facts about the GOP such as being anti women rights, is false Mitt Romney was a huge supporter of women rights.
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3 RepliesEdited by MoReCoWbELLx2x1: 3/20/2014 2:34:13 PMThe better question is when will people lose party favoritism and vote for the person instead of the name of the party attached.
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I think the better question is, "Will the Tea Party recover from the Republicans?" It existed long before the Republicans decided to swoop in on them, take over, and radicalize the movement for their cause. It looks to me like someone in the Republican party read Seth Godin's "Tribes" and went to town. The Tea Party originally wanted, basically, a smaller, less intrusive government. The Republicans took advantage of that mentality in a time when that meant being against some then-current Democratic ideals. They wouldn't have been able to during, say, the push for the USA PATRIOT Act. The Tea Party would have opposed that pretty strongly. I'm more worried that the Tea Party will now forever be seen as a more extremely entrenched arm of the Republican party rather than what they really originally were.
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Edited by Broseph Stalin: 3/20/2014 1:38:12 PMTraditional Republicans are all baby boomers who are still trying to live in 1950s America. I think American politics as a whole will improve when they're all gone, and maybe, just maybe, the Republicans and Democrats can agree on a few things and finally get some shit done in this country. EDIT: The Tea Party is just another reactionary party that will dissolve in the next 20 or so years. They may keep the GOP from winning President for a little while, but they'll probably recover.
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1 ReplyHopefully. The likes of Ted Cruz and the other Tea Baggers should create their own political party, and stop latching onto the GOP. While, the GOP isn't in a good state anyway, they certainly aren't making it better. If anything, the Tea Party is almost a cross between the GOP and the Libs, and 100% more populist.
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The GOP will become the tea-party.
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Edited by DeclinedA1: 3/20/2014 9:43:35 AM[url=http://www.cbsnews.com/news/republican-david-jolly-wins-special-congressional-election-in-florida/]The GOP can still win in Congress.[/url] I don't see them winning President for a while, unless it's a very moderate Republican.
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As soon as the Dems take over, they'll just start in-fighting themselves. There will always be an opposition party.
