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1/7/2013 5:27:21 PM
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How did Johnson survive Halo:CE?
This is something that has bothered me for a while, so maybe someone more versed in Halo canon has the answer. At the end of Halo:CE, you destroy Installation 04 by overloading the reactors on the crashed Pillar of Autumn. After escaping on the fighter, Cortana does a scan and declares there are no human life signs remaining.
Yet, somehow Johnson survives. How? If he was evacuated by Echo 419 at some point, to where?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] commander tempu Now but not then. [/quote] No, it has never been canon. It is, was, and always will be nothing more than a humorous reward for the players who finished the game on Legendary.
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Now but not then. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] commander tempu Will find it but Bungie had intended to kill Johnson off and while that cut scene is at the end of Legendary CE it is Canon not Non-Canon. [/quote] CE's Legendary Ending is non-canon. -_-[/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] commander tempu Will find it but Bungie had intended to kill Johnson off and while that cut scene is at the end of Legendary CE it is Canon not Non-Canon. [/quote] CE's Legendary Ending is non-canon. -_-
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Will find it but Bungie had intended to kill Johnson off and while that cut scene is at the end of Legendary CE it is Canon not Non-Canon. When Halo 2 came out i figured Johnson died but it was never explained how he was still alive until first strike. [Edited on 01.08.2013 7:32 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] prometheus25 There is a book titled [i]First Strike[/i] that covers the events between Halo and Halo 2. Trying not to spoil anything for you, but Johnson escapes on a pelican with a pilot and a marine or two. They meet up with the Chief and escape.[/quote]That was also probably a while before MC and Cortana escaped the ring, so Johnson's pelican wouldn't have shown up on her scan.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh Acknowledging that there is a problem doesn't fix it; obviously he got out, no one had to tell us this. You still have a problem. If anything, reason would dictate that that's even worse. You acknowledge a problem and don't even bother trying to fix it? That's laziness right there.[/quote] Of course acknowledging it doesnt fix the problem because that not the point of that. Acknowledging tells the player that something did happen but they isnt time now to tell that story so move that to the back of the head for a later date. The game doesnt leave you with a question the game tells you that there is an answer coming. [quote]And what, exactly, did 343i not even address? They addressed the Covenant problem in Halo 4, and gave more than enough hints and clues towards what was going on for someone to figure it out with some thought.[/quote] The there were only 2 sentences in the whole game coming from two of the only people in the whole game who have been out of the loop since the last game. Hardly anyone would consider that enough to build anything from. I knew squat about the books so those two little sentences flew by during the first playthrough as they offered nothing so i had ZERO info on anything dealing with the Covenant along with a whole mess of other people that flooded the boards, and some still do, when it came to dealing with this storyline. [quote] All of the plot points brought up about the Didact that were necessary to the story were all explained, if not through the campaign, than the terminals. I just don't get what was so hard to figure out about it.[/quote] The Didact was explained through the terminals which is a problem as you need to go searching around AFTER to completed the story TO understand the story. The books, the terminals, the comic books should BUILD on the game story they shouldnt be a necessity to understand the game story. [quote] Finally, Johnson is important, as he is the only living anchor to humanity for the Chief, and his best friend.[/quote] We are talking about in game alone and in game alone he was none of those things as far as i remember. And that whole 117's humanity deal surely comes from Halo 4 because that storyline NEVER existed in the games. [Edited on 01.08.2013 12:34 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Grunt Warchief [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrabbySpider [i]That's classified.[/i][/quote] [i]Heh! My ass! Well you can forget about Halo 4 being the first game to require you to read a novel to understand an important plot point![/i][/quote] You dont need to ready anything, the game tells you that he got out somehow but it cannot being discussed at the moment. The game acknowledges that something happen and if you want to know more go read a book. That's totally different from Halo 4 just leaving stuff out completely and ignoring it. BTW, Johnson is hardly an important plot point. [/quote] Acknowledging that there is a problem doesn't fix it; obviously he got out, no one had to tell us this. You still have a problem. If anything, reason would dictate that that's even worse. You acknowledge a problem and don't even bother trying to fix it? That's laziness right there. And what, exactly, did 343i not even address? They addressed the Covenant problem in Halo 4, and gave more than enough hints and clues towards what was going on for someone to figure it out with some thought. All of the plot points brought up about the Didact that were necessary to the story were all explained, if not through the campaign, than the terminals. I just don't get what was so hard to figure out about it. Finally, Johnson is important, as he is the only living anchor to humanity for the Chief, and his best friend. [Edited on 01.07.2013 3:05 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrabbySpider [i]That's classified.[/i][/quote] [i]Heh! My ass! Well you can forget about Halo 4 being the first game to require you to read a novel to understand an important plot point![/i][/quote] You dont need to read anything, the game tells you that he got out somehow but it cannot being discussed at the moment. The game acknowledges that something happen and if you want to know more go read a book. That's totally different from Halo 4 just leaving stuff out completely and ignoring it. BTW, Johnson is hardly an important plot point. [Edited on 01.07.2013 3:07 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrabbySpider [i]That's classified.[/i][/quote] [i]Heh! My ass! Well you can forget about Halo 4 being the first game to require you to read a novel to understand an important plot point![/i][/quote] lol, that was my first thought too.
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Have none of just thought of the obvious? [u]He IS Johnson[/u] for Halo's sake!
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Read First Strike, questions will be answered.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real Janaka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 There is no conflict, we never see what happens to Johnson after Jenkins' helmet cam cuts off. His fate was ultimately ambiguous, that gave space for the novel to detail his fate and how he ultimately survived.[/quote]But what about [url=http://youtu.be/t2axCHsb8jo?t=31s]this[/url]?[/quote] Obviously it's a non-canonical joke, a reward for those who finished the game on Legendary. To even suggest otherwise is utterly ridiculous...[/quote]I was just wondering.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real Janaka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 There is no conflict, we never see what happens to Johnson after Jenkins' helmet cam cuts off. His fate was ultimately ambiguous, that gave space for the novel to detail his fate and how he ultimately survived.[/quote]But what about [url=http://youtu.be/t2axCHsb8jo?t=31s]this[/url]?[/quote] Obviously it's a non-canonical joke, a reward for those who finished the game on Legendary. To even suggest otherwise is utterly ridiculous... [Edited on 01.07.2013 12:27 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real Janaka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 There is no conflict, we never see what happens to Johnson after Jenkins' helmet cam cuts off. His fate was ultimately ambiguous, that gave space for the novel to detail his fate and how he ultimately survived.[/quote]But what about [url=http://youtu.be/t2axCHsb8jo?t=31s]this[/url]?[/quote] Yep exactly even bungie admitted to trying to kill off Sgt.Johnson the first time but support grew for him so they kept him in the next two games when he officially died in Halo 3.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 There is no conflict, we never see what happens to Johnson after Jenkins' helmet cam cuts off. His fate was ultimately ambiguous, that gave space for the novel to detail his fate and how he ultimately survived.[/quote]But what about [url=http://youtu.be/t2axCHsb8jo?t=31s]this[/url]?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] commander tempu [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Haloroach [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darthbill99 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mister Rollback The Johnson-pelican theory is false. The Pillar of Autumn was seconds away from exploding when the Chief escaped there is no way that Johnson survived using that method.[/quote]It's not a theory it actually happens in First Strike. According to the Flood, MC and Cortana were in contact with the other marines about their plan, and the marines were attempting to steal Truth an Recreation in order to escape Halo. My theory as to how Johnson and the other got off in time was that they were going to rendezvous with the TaR, but before they could reach it, it blew up (long story). Then, knowing MC was going to blow up Halo soon, they left the ring. Edit: just to clarify it is a canonical fact that Johnson and several other people escape aboard a pelican, my theory is just an attempt to explain how they knew to get off the Ring in time. [/quote] Read First Strike again. Johnson didn't escape aboard a pelican. He surprises Chief on his Longsword.[/quote] Oh so he did not die in HALO CE in the cut scene on Legendary when MC flys off with Cortana ? He teleported on board. It was an attempt to keep him alive for next two games. It conflicts with the Game so the book rewrites that he lives.[/quote] There is no conflict, we never see what happens to Johnson after Jenkins' helmet cam cuts off. His fate was ultimately ambiguous, that gave space for the novel to detail his fate and how he ultimately survived.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] EAGLES5 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Haloroach [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darthbill99 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mister Rollback The Johnson-pelican theory is false. The Pillar of Autumn was seconds away from exploding when the Chief escaped there is no way that Johnson survived using that method.[/quote]It's not a theory it actually happens in First Strike. According to the Flood, MC and Cortana were in contact with the other marines about their plan, and the marines were attempting to steal Truth an Recreation in order to escape Halo. My theory as to how Johnson and the other got off in time was that they were going to rendezvous with the TaR, but before they could reach it, it blew up (long story). Then, knowing MC was going to blow up Halo soon, they left the ring. Edit: just to clarify it is a canonical fact that Johnson and several other people escape aboard a pelican, my theory is just an attempt to explain how they knew to get off the Ring in time. [/quote] Read First Strike again. Johnson didn't escape aboard a pelican. He surprises Chief on his Longsword.[/quote] You are so very wrong.[/quote] Yep, I am. Never mind.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Haloroach [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darthbill99 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mister Rollback The Johnson-pelican theory is false. The Pillar of Autumn was seconds away from exploding when the Chief escaped there is no way that Johnson survived using that method.[/quote]It's not a theory it actually happens in First Strike. According to the Flood, MC and Cortana were in contact with the other marines about their plan, and the marines were attempting to steal Truth an Recreation in order to escape Halo. My theory as to how Johnson and the other got off in time was that they were going to rendezvous with the TaR, but before they could reach it, it blew up (long story). Then, knowing MC was going to blow up Halo soon, they left the ring. Edit: just to clarify it is a canonical fact that Johnson and several other people escape aboard a pelican, my theory is just an attempt to explain how they knew to get off the Ring in time. [/quote] Read First Strike again. Johnson didn't escape aboard a pelican. He surprises Chief on his Longsword.[/quote] Oh so he did not die in HALO CE in the cut scene on Legendary when MC flys off with Cortana ? He teleported on board. It was an attempt to keep him alive for next two games. It conflicts with the Game so the book rewrites that he lives. [Edited on 01.07.2013 10:39 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Haloroach [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Darthbill99 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mister Rollback The Johnson-pelican theory is false. The Pillar of Autumn was seconds away from exploding when the Chief escaped there is no way that Johnson survived using that method.[/quote]It's not a theory it actually happens in First Strike. According to the Flood, MC and Cortana were in contact with the other marines about their plan, and the marines were attempting to steal Truth an Recreation in order to escape Halo. My theory as to how Johnson and the other got off in time was that they were going to rendezvous with the TaR, but before they could reach it, it blew up (long story). Then, knowing MC was going to blow up Halo soon, they left the ring. Edit: just to clarify it is a canonical fact that Johnson and several other people escape aboard a pelican, my theory is just an attempt to explain how they knew to get off the Ring in time. [/quote] Read First Strike again. Johnson didn't escape aboard a pelican. He surprises Chief on his Longsword.[/quote] You are so very wrong.
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2WRONG [Edited on 01.07.2013 10:47 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mister Rollback The Johnson-pelican theory is false. The Pillar of Autumn was seconds away from exploding when the Chief escaped there is no way that Johnson survived using that method.[/quote]It's not a theory it actually happens in First Strike. According to the Flood, MC and Cortana were in contact with the other marines about their plan, and the marines were attempting to steal Truth an Recreation in order to escape Halo. My theory as to how Johnson and the other got off in time was that they were going to rendezvous with the TaR, but before they could reach it, it blew up (long story). Then, knowing MC was going to blow up Halo soon, they left the ring. Edit: just to clarify it is a canonical fact that Johnson and several other people escape aboard a pelican, my theory is just an attempt to explain how they knew to get off the Ring in time. [Edited on 01.07.2013 10:27 AM PST]
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My understanding is Johnson was going to die so they made up some quick story seeing he was rapidly becoming popular then put it into book for to give him a flimsy escape plot. On Legendary on CE he hugs an Elite then it explodes as Master Chief flies off in his Longsword. So now they put him into HALO 2 with a story that he made it off etc. Did not officially kill him till H3 when 343GS blasted him with its eye beam weapon. Its kinda flimsy he made it off but hey i do like Sgt. Johnson. [Edited on 01.07.2013 10:13 AM PST]
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The Johnson-pelican theory is false. The Pillar of Autumn was seconds away from exploding when the Chief escaped there is no way that Johnson survived using that method.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] prometheus25 There is a book titled [i]First Strike[/i] that covers the events between Halo and Halo 2. Trying not to spoil anything for you, but Johnson escapes on a pelican with a pilot and a marine or two. They meet up with the Chief and escape.[/quote]
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^GOD DAMNIT!! [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrabbySpider [i]That's classified.[/i][/quote][i]Huh! My ass! Well, you can forget about those adjustments to your A2 scope![/i] [Edited on 01.07.2013 9:55 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrabbySpider [i]That's classified.[/i][/quote] [i]Heh! My ass! Well you can forget about Halo 4 being the first game to require you to read a novel to understand an important plot point![/i]
