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1/4/2013 12:05:25 AM
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Carpet Bans
Is it fair to ban people even if they were trying to stop the discussion? Just a thought.
Anyway, props to whoever dropped the bomb on the flood thread
[Edited on 01.03.2013 4:05 PM PST]
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The simple solution is just not to post in threads which are obviously rule breaking, and some are really very obvious. More often than not it will be a stupid troll and there is no way you'll stop them. Just report and move on and you won't get carpet banned.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BC1096 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Duardo [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 Wishing them to the cornfield doesn't work any more.[/quote]I wonder how many people understand this reference...[/quote] Children of the corn?[/quote] Twilight Zone. Turn them into jack-in-the-boxes instead.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 The only way to do that is to lock the threads before they gain traction. Maybe if rule enforcers do their part, rule breakers can actually be discouraged. Every carpet ban is a mod saying "whoops. I failed at this moderating thing, time to overcompensate".[/quote] In this case it was "Whoa! Look what happened while I was having dinner. 5 pages? Oh hell no! People should know better. I guess that I'll have to take off my belt." And then my pants fell to my ankles, people laughed and pointed, and so, I banned them all. Wishing them to the cornfield doesn't work any more.[/quote] Neither do carpet bans.[/quote] Proof? Seriously though, why is this even an argument? If you post in a rule-breaking thread, it's your fault. Entirely your fault. 100% your fault. If you think something is on the border of being rule-breaking, you have two options. 1) Don't post in that thread; nobody is making you. 2) Don't whine when you get banned for posting in a rule-breaking thread. Regardless of what you think of the rules and whether or not political/religious topics should be illegal or how fair you think it is that it's illegal to even reply to spam, you have no rights. If you get banned, it is your own fault and nobody else's.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Duardo [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 Wishing them to the cornfield doesn't work any more.[/quote]I wonder how many people understand this reference...[/quote] If you post it, they'll be banned.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Duardo [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 Wishing them to the cornfield doesn't work any more.[/quote]I wonder how many people understand this reference...[/quote] Children of the corn?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 Wishing them to the cornfield doesn't work any more.[/quote]I wonder how many people understand this reference...
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Wait, there was a carpet ban recently? When did this happen? (If we aren't allowed to talk about it, I understand) [Edited on 01.04.2013 8:46 PM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Player3Th0mas1 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 Take your 3 day is wise, because I was going to hammer the account if you had PM'ed me from it. [/quote] So you are saying you would perma his normal account, if he appealed your offer? That doesnt seem fair at all, just say: Imma perma your main if I find out which one it is, or dont give him an offer at all.[/quote]Well, if the dude was indeed innocent, Recon would have reversed the ban. However, if the dude wasn't innocent, it makes sense for Recon to increase the length of the ban to compensate for his wasted time right? Seems fair.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 The only way to do that is to lock the threads before they gain traction. Maybe if rule enforcers do their part, rule breakers can actually be discouraged. Every carpet ban is a mod saying "whoops. I failed at this moderating thing, time to overcompensate".[/quote] In this case it was "Whoa! Look what happened while I was having dinner. 5 pages? Oh hell no! People should know better. I guess that I'll have to take off my belt." And then my pants fell to my ankles, people laughed and pointed, and so, I banned them all. Wishing them to the cornfield doesn't work any more.[/quote] Neither do carpet bans.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] coolmike699 The only way to do that is to lock the threads before they gain traction. Maybe if rule enforcers do their part, rule breakers can actually be discouraged. Every carpet ban is a mod saying "whoops. I failed at this moderating thing, time to overcompensate".[/quote] In this case it was "Whoa! Look what happened while I was having dinner. 5 pages? Oh hell no! People should know better. I guess that I'll have to take off my belt." And then my pants fell to my ankles, people laughed and pointed, and so, I banned them all. Wishing them to the cornfield doesn't work any more.
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Not a big fan of carpet bans. Every so often, a thread (that is no worse than many other threads that are simply locked with the OP banned) is carpet banned, catching a few users and doing nothing to deter others. No punishment is effective unless it is applied consistently. Feel free to keep on telling yourself that carpet banning the occasional thread will do anything to stop the larger problem. Your thickheadedness isn't really hurting anything. But you're kidding yourself if you think it's helping to stop people from replying to spam threads. The only way to do that is to lock the threads before they gain traction. Maybe if rule enforcers do their part, rule breakers can actually be discouraged. Every carpet ban is a mod saying "whoops. I failed at this moderating thing, time to overcompensate".
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Old Papa Rich [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cameo_cream The analogy you made sounds like this to me- A robber steals some expensive jewerly with people observing him. The Cops catch the crook but also charge the innocent bystanders because they could have stopped the felon and therefore also deserve the blame for not acting on it. Somebody who smashed the window, sure they were involved - but the people watching were not and therefore should not carry the blame. Of course you will never please everybody.[/quote]No, your analogy is not the same. Recon compared it to shoplifting and speeding. In this case the innocent bystanders might lurk but not post. Posting in the rule breaking thread at all is akin to going over the speed limit or putting something in your pocket yourself. [/quote] I mean with threads that arent rule breaking, but they go completely off topic and become flame wars and sometimes result in a carpet ban. Some people may have been on topic and been [i]charged[/i] so to speak.
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Ye but it never showes in the report queue, so :\ [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Old Papa Rich Posting in the rule breaking thread at all is akin to going over the speed limit or putting something in your pocket yourself. [/quote]And in every spam thread, where the OP gets banned and his posts censored, the rest of the members who were feeding the troll gets away with it. It's like the moderators never even see the replies. Is that how the report queue works?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cameo_cream The analogy you made sounds like this to me- A robber steals some expensive jewerly with people observing him. The Cops catch the crook but also charge the innocent bystanders because they could have stopped the felon and therefore also deserve the blame for not acting on it. Somebody who smashed the window, sure they were involved - but the people watching were not and therefore should not carry the blame. Of course you will never please everybody.[/quote]No, your analogy is not the same. Recon compared it to shoplifting and speeding. In this case the innocent bystanders might lurk but not post. Posting in the rule breaking thread at all is akin to going over the speed limit or putting something in your pocket yourself.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] zoobkillerninja By posting they are promoting discussion because it bumps the thread. I don't like carpet bans but I understand why they do it. [/quote]
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Imagine if you accidentally posted in the thread, geniuinely by mistake. You edit your post stating that it was an accident. Is there any escape?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cameo_cream [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] zoobkillerninja By posting they are promoting discussion because it bumps the thread. I don't like carpet bans but I understand why they do it. [/quote]Locking the thread solves the problem, and is much easier.[/quote] Sometimes the extra effort is worth it in the collective pissing and moaning that arrives in my PM inbox. If/when the rule enforcers can't "catch everyone and treat each case on an individual basis" it is a common practice to "make a random sweep" and set examples. Is it "fair" in the overall scheme? Probably not. But it reminds people that just because you see other people speeding, or shoplifting, or whatever, the risk to YOU is that if you get caught (either in a sweep or individually) what happened to those "other people" doesn't matter. You could pay for your own actions, or not. The choice and risk is yours to take.[/quote] The only threads I've seen carpet banned are ones resulting in flame wars, or are totally derailed. Im no mod, but a thread being locked because of a flame war is understandable - Your inbox would get more clogged up from the 20+ bans you would give out and would result in far more whining than locking it. Unless people whining at you is your fetish Recon? :p Banning people who caused and fueled the fire is understandable to a certain degree, but banning innocent bystanders in collecteral damage seems immensely unfair and makes some moderators look like waypoint ones...... And no mod wants to be catagorized like that, do they? The analogy you made sounds like this to me- A robber steals some expensive jewerly with people observing him. The Cops catch the crook but also charge the innocent bystanders because they could have stopped the felon and therefore also deserve the blame for not acting on it. Somebody who smashed the window, sure they were involved - but the people watching were not and therefore should not carry the blame. Of course you will never please everybody.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WinyPit82 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55 >implying that that post is the reason that people aren't posting in it.\[/quote] Gee, must be a coincidence I've observed numerous times. [/quote] It's not a coincidence. It's people not posting in a bad thread.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CrazzySnipe55 >implying that that post is the reason that people aren't posting in it.\[/quote] Gee, must be a coincidence I've observed numerous times.
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That last 16 hours have been pretty lol.
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I read this as if Batman was speaking... [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Recon Number 54 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cameo_cream [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] zoobkillerninja By posting they are promoting discussion because it bumps the thread. I don't like carpet bans but I understand why they do it. [/quote]Locking the thread solves the problem, and is much easier.[/quote] Sometimes the extra effort is worth it in the collective pissing and moaning that arrives in my PM inbox. If/when the rule enforcers can't "catch everyone and treat each case on an individual basis" it is a common practice to "make a random sweep" and set examples. Is it "fair" in the overall scheme? Probably not. But it reminds people that just because you see other people speeding, or shoplifting, or whatever, the risk to YOU is that if you get caught (either in a sweep or individually) what happened to those "other people" doesn't matter. You could pay for your own actions, or not. The choice and risk is yours to take.[/quote]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cameo_cream [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] zoobkillerninja By posting they are promoting discussion because it bumps the thread. I don't like carpet bans but I understand why they do it. [/quote]Locking the thread solves the problem, and is much easier.[/quote] Sometimes the extra effort is worth it in the collective pissing and moaning that arrives in my PM inbox. If/when the rule enforcers can't "catch everyone and treat each case on an individual basis" it is a common practice to "make a random sweep" and set examples. Is it "fair" in the overall scheme? Probably not. But it reminds people that just because you see other people speeding, or shoplifting, or whatever, the risk to YOU is that if you get caught (either in a sweep or individually) what happened to those "other people" doesn't matter. You could pay for your own actions, or not. The choice and risk is yours to take.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] zoobkillerninja By posting they are promoting discussion because it bumps the thread. I don't like carpet bans but I understand why they do it. [/quote] Locking the thread solves the problem, and is much easier.
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Man, Rose has gone too far this time.
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I agree with them. If you're posting in a questionable thread, you're fully aware of your actions, what they could entail, and are therefore liable to whatever happens. I won't deny it, because I know I'm not equally accountable for the odd display of 'forum copping', and I count myself as lucky to have not been at the mercy of a carpet ban in any of those situations, pick fights you can win and all that.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] blindx1 If you get banned, chances are you deserve it.[/quote] lol
