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1/23/2015 9:23:54 PM
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Abyss Defiant
Please increase the impact of the Abyss Defiant Autorifle.
I was excited to get my Abyss Defiant because of the aiming perk (similar to the Suros Regime aiming perk), but after fully maxing out the weapon and taking it into the hard mode of Crota's End found that it was pretty useless. This weapon was designed to devastate wizards, but I found that it took over 4 full clips to kill one wizard on the bridge encounter (with most of my shots being headshots). Sure the wizard went blind somewhere in the 3rd or 4th clip, but this is ridiculous!
I can understand you not wanting this weapon to have impact as high as the Suros Regime because it does elemental damage, but you could triple or even quadruple the impact of Abyss Defiant and it would still be much less than the Suros Regime.
Please increase the impact of Abyss Defiant - tripling the current impact would be a good start.
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It is rather weak even with solar burn really without burn it becomes completely useless
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The major fault lies within not Abyss Defiant itself, but all Auto Rifles. Auto Rifles are easily outclassed by Scout Rifles and Hand Cannons because of their low impact. Despite holding more bullets and having a faster rate of fire than these two weapon classes, the damage per shot output is not enough to warrant using them. Even SUROS regime falls behind to a weapon like Fatebringer or Vision of Confluence. Besides, there aren't many places in the raid where an Auto Rifle is a viable option. Maybe the Thrall Pit in Crota's End, but that's about it. You're never really facing enemies that swarm around you in Raids, and I feel as though the House of Wolves raid won't change that, as the Fallen typically fight from medium - long range, save for the melee types. Auto Rifle's niche is really in PvP. I would like to someday see them be a viable option in PvE, but due to the nature of them, I don't see that happening any time soon.
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1 ReplyDude, it's a auto rifle against a major. It's going to take some bullets.
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I'd rather have some kind of damage buff. It just feels weak. Maybe a head shot damage increase. Even against hive with the hive disruptor perk it seems weak.
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YES YES YES AND TREBLE YES. Abyss defiant is a disappointment also - Then add a better perk to the word of crota. One extra bullet added?! Why can't that bullet deal massive extra damage or 3 x head shot = treble damage with the phantom bullet?
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I kinda just found everything in hard Crota under performed. Abyss defiant was great in everything but Crota hard mode I found.
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It's because they would out perform in nightfalls if it's impact was with Suros lol elemental primaries are crap so they don't make nightfalls too easy
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3 RepliesSad to hear. Bungie has nerfed Auto Rifles further by introducing this low impact generation. Don't get me wrong I like some with that impact ratio but not all of them. I've come to learn that in raids, Hand Cannons and Scout Rifles rule the show. It's nearly unviable to use a auto rifle, and pulse rifles...forget about it.
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I disagree. Abyss Defiant is a great Auto rifle that is excellent in the Crucible. It's arguably the best of the hard mode weapons (I'm yet to try the scout rifle). It's Word of Crota that needs fixing; nothing wrong with Abyss Defiant.
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Yeah so it can become an OP gun in crucible ? No thanks lol
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Agreed. I maxed mine and is horrible and not worth using . At lease atheon's epilogue shot 70 rounds like a laser.
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I use it in hard, its an excellent auto. Take it to normal and you will see the real damage it can do, as you're at a level disadvantage on hard.
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23 RepliesIt's fine the way it is. Focus fire makes it a beast
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1 ReplyDps stays the same as they raise and lower impact RoF accordingly, but the real issue is when they nerfed autorifles the crippled them as viable in end game pve combat
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Field scout option over agility is my opinion. Aim for the head, works fine for me.
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Agreed it's awful in its current state
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5 RepliesThen the charge rate would decrease... Don't you understand Abyss defiant is almost OP it's easily as good as pocket infinity It wrecks in crucible
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1 ReplyHow many bullets does it hold
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Completely agree. Love this gun. Needs a bit more of a bite to it though
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posted about this hours after hard mode release and no one replied... good to see people are getting the picture. love the gun but its hard to use.
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Edited by SlushyApollo48: 1/25/2015 1:06:00 AMWould also like an impact increase for the oversoul edict.
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13 RepliesAll the new guns besides black hammer seem to suck
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I wouldn't say triple it, but certainly a buff. Maybe double, but any more and it would be blatantly OP, and we all know what would happen next.
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Def needs an impact buff
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Edited by Rayne: 1/24/2015 9:27:31 PMThe perk wont kill them faster
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You have earned my +1 good sir... I have a fully upgraded abyss defiant, and the gun is not anywhere near as powerful as it should be. The perks are decent, I actually quite like most of them. But you should be able to have both hip fire accuracy and focus fire at the same time. I was disappointed to find out that wasn't the case. Another disappointment was the way the weapons extra damage on hive majors works. It should not take 5-6 rounds to trigger the damage bonus. It should compile with each and every shot. Second would have to be the impact. The gun just does not take out thralls fast enough to make it worthwhile using, but if you can jump alot its somewhat usable for the abyss and the first part of the bridge. After that its far from efficient enough it takes 4-5 clips to take out knights/wizards/ogres even when the other 5 in the fireteam are shooting too. Bungie made the VOG weapons cater towards the raid. They are much more efficient to use in any of the oracles and praetorians. And the weapons were very capable and strong overall. This weapon falls short to match any vault weapons. I as well as many other people would rather use fatebringer and VOC in the crota hard raid, than the abyss defiant. And theres definitely something wrong with that
