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Edited by DehTommy: 1/11/2015 9:10:01 PM
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Are we any better than the enemies we fight?

Hello! If I may be so pretentious for a moment, I would like to ask something that I've been thinking about for some time now; are we better than the enemies we fight in this game? I'm not trying nor do I intend to say that 'we are evil' or that 'the Darkness is good', but as I've played through the game, I felt like my Guardian has done some questionable things. Fallen are ruthless scavengers and pirates, trying to snatch whatever they can get their hands on and killed hundreds during the Battle of Twilight Gap (which they also instigated). However, they are just that: scavengers, trying to reclaim their lost nobility by scrounging up what they can find (which is probably not that much). I doubt they consider anyone as arch enemies, but rather as people whom they can use and steal from. The Hive are masochistic, sadistic fanatic zealots who do as they see fit and damage the integrity of the structure of the planets they inhabit. They despise the Light, and will try to extinguish anything that doesn't fall with their beliefs... but that's because they just have a different sense of right and wrong to us and the other creatures of the solar system. To them, bad is good, evil is heroic, pain is pleasure. They actively try to destroy anything related to Light in the name of their gods, but perhaps that's because the Light hurts them (and not in the way they harm theirselves) and so they crusade against it to ensure that they can live without fear of said Light. The Vex is an evil so great that it despises other evil. They purge anything that is not Vex and try to recreate everything in their image. They somehow mastered the secrets of time travel, and attempted to encode themselves into the very fabric of reality so that they may presumably rule. But as mentioned above, the Vex are purely logic based and following what they believe to be correct: is something not Vex? Then logically, it should be defeated. Does something not resemble what they view as perfect? Then, logically, it is flawed and should be corrected (as seen through their conversion of organic planets to machines). Is something opposing them? If so, defeat it. Can they not comprehend what it is, and is it better than them? If so, swear loyalty to and worship it. If something that is not Vex is imperfect, and Vex have access to time itself, shouldn't they correct this mistake and rule all of space-time? The Cabal are a brutal empire, conquering lands to expand their power and destroying civilisations and planets that get in their way. The Cabal are more affable than purely evil, and behave in a similar fashion to the ancient Romans and Conquistadores, that being, something is somewhere, they don't have it, so they take it. I doubt they are actively 'bad', as most Cabal one fights are legionaries and are probably just following orders. If anything, [i]we[/i] started the war against the Cabal by breaking into their military base without permission and attempting to steal military secrets. A Grimoire card even implies that they're running [i]away[/i] from the Darkness. Then there are us, Humanity (alongside earth-born Awoken and Exos). We invade what others have claimed as their own, steal various loot, murder glorious deities and leaders (Ghost's first instinct upon seeing the Exile Baron was to kill him/her, despite the House of Exile only having presence on the Moon which the Vanguard had given up hope of reclaiming), ruin various schemes and, as mentioned above, started a war with a foreign race over trying to gain exclusive information instead of trying to negotiate for it all in the name of a 'broken god' (as the Traveller's own Speaker names him/her)... but they have almost every right to do so. Humanity worships the Traveller because of all that (s)he did for us (extending the human lifespan, terraforming uninhabitable worlds, introducing the concept of the Light to us and many more things). The Guardians killed Crota because his forces and himself were trying to destroy us all. We deflect the Fallen out of self-defence rather than from malicious intent. We fight the Vex because if they succeed, life, the universe and everything as we know it will change (and probably not for the better). We stole Cabal secrets to prevent the Vex's plans from coming to pass, saving the Solar System that every species seems to fight for control over. [b]TL,DR: Everyone has done something bad and good, so what makes us anymore evil or greater than the enemies we fight (if we better or worse)?[/b] What is your opinion on the matter? Sorry for this rant. I hope you have a nice day!

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  • Edited by Omnitron310: 1/11/2015 10:11:43 PM
    It's difficult to judge since we have no real idea of what caused humanity's golden age to end. All we know is that 'The Darkness' (which is still not actually a clearly defined thing) came and destroyed us, claiming all our worlds but Earth. So, was this Darkness the four races we now fight against, or something else? Like you say, the Fallen are just scavengers, and the Cabal are just another spacefaring race (albeit a militaristic one), so I doubt they are The Darkness which destroyed us. Ultimately, it all boils down to who actually attacked first. Did the Cabal invade Mars while we were living there, ruin our cities and slaughter our population? If so, then they are definitely the bad guys. Or, did they just colonise it after The Darkness destroyed our presence there? If so, then arguably we are the agressors for going to their base and breaking in.

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    • Fallen: Scavengers/Thieves Hive: Space Zombies Vex: Skynet(from terminator movies) Cabal: Blood Thirsty Space Turtles

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      • If this really bothers you, put away your guns and sit next time you encounter an enemy. They won't hesitate to blow you away. This game world is more about survival than philosophical right and wrong. If guardians stop fighting, then humanity is wiped out. That is the in-game reality (assuming it's not just all a vex simulation anyway).

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        • The hive tried to kill us all

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        • Why were better? Because our races come first. Which puts us ahead of the scavenging fallen who try to raid our cities to rebuild themselves. The cabal destroyed freehold, and why? Then there's the hive, they're locusts with guns. And the vex, robots who consume entire planets and operate in space and time without regard for others as they are on their own agenda. Yeah I don't feel bad as a guardian smashing these guys in the face

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        • It's the basis for political or international struggle. Each group functions as a single organism and attempts to better itself at the cost of others. When individuals do it, they have a sense of remorse or guilt that prevents them from going too far such as killing. When large groups attempt to accomplish something, there is less humanity and emotion in the decision so they are made to benefit the group while having a higher potential to harm competing groups. We and the other races act just as warring countries do. All of us believe in what we pursue.

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          In terms of fighting ability, we're way better. In terms of morality, who knows.

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        • Not to mention we kill them by the hundreds for every one of us that falls.

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