Something tells me I'm going to regret this thread... Now the most heated rants in this forum usually revolve around nerfing, and pvp players. There's a significant section of people here who revile the word and everything it stands for, there's another portion of the userbase that think certain weapons could do with a tweak to their power. these people [i]don't get along very well[/i]. Now i'm going to avoid for the most part addressing specific guns, and instead deal with the actual idea of nerfing, and some of the arguments against it. [b]"Get good"[/b] - Implying only people who can't hit a barn from inside it would call for nerfing of said barn. Now if this were true people would be calling for nerfs of many different varieties of gun, instead of specifics. Not much more needs be said, it's an idiotic statement, and adds nothing to any worthwhile discussion. [b]"Go buy it yourself"[/b] - Implying something isn't overpowered if everyone can use it. We must assume that people with this opinion would be perfectly happy for the game to only have one set of weapons for all players. the rest of us like variety in weapons and play styles. Also considering RNG, buying the thing isn't a very good strategy option... [b]"You'll just make something else OP"[/b] - And OP would be [i]bad[/i] right? We [i]don't want[/i] OP things? Yes there's a chance that something else is revealed to be the next in line for face-splatterer of the month, and the nature of the game means we'll likely never have perfect balance, does that mean we shouldn't gradually work towards that ideal? [b]"It's exotic / rare, it's meant to be OP"[/b] - I have some agreement with this, but on the whole i'd prefer exotics to have certain strengths above other weapons, balanced by drawbacks, e.g. low mag / ammo, reload speeds etc. Exotics need to be powerful / handicapped in a different way to standard weapons rock-paper-scissors of range-impact-stability, but yes overall they should have a slight edge. A [i]slight[/i] one. Think butter knife, not machete. [b]"If you nerf it, soon we'll be using pea shooters"[/b] - Otherwise known as [i]"Oh god won't somebody please think of the children"[/i]. This is obviously ridiculous. [b]"It shouldn't be nerfed, everything else should be buffed"[/b] - Bearing some relation to the "pea shooter" argument, and just as moronic. If there's a bump in the road, would you flatten it down, or tarmac the hell out of the whole road until it met the higher level? One of these options requires a lot more work, resources, and angry neighbours. Similarly, no one is suggesting if there's a hole in the road we grind the whole thing down. [b]"Learn to adapt"[/b] This one has some slight merit. If you try and hit someone in the face with the butt of your sniper and they proceed to Invectivate you into the mud, you should probably think about altering your tactics against that gun before thinking it might need a nerf. However if Invective could one hit you from range and around a corner there's only so much room for "adapting" before you get royally cheesed off. Think of the reverse, as the player with the potentially OP weapon, if they have far less need to adapt to other players tactics due to the performance of their gun, then something is clearly imbalanced. remember how scout rifles were outperformed at range by autos? Should the scouters have just "adapted"? Didn't people "adapt" by merely choosing to use auto-rifles instead? Remember when the Vex was over-nerfed? Was the advice to those players using the vex either "wait for the buff" or "learn to adapt"? [b]"Nerf Nerfing"[/b] Brilliant.. [b]"Your just butthurt, you scrub, I could care less about your opinion with such a lame k/d"[/b] Well firstly it's "[i]you're[/i]", and "I [i]couldn't[/i] care less", you illiterate swine. Anyway, as you can tell from my k/d you oh-so-eagerly looked up, i'm the most averagest of average cruciblite, having killed and been killed in roughly equal measure. It also has as much relation to the actual point i'm making as a dissapointed badger with a thyroid condition, i.e. [i]not bloody relevant at all[/i] Actually there was this one time a guy killed me by blocking my jump and I fell off of Shores of Time. -blam!- that guy. Nerf jumping. To summarise, lets have a lovely hypothetical scenario. An exotic weapon, only available by lobbing a grenade snuggly down Atheon's trousers in hard mode, has max range, rate of fire, and impact, with a time-to-kill of about minus seven. We'll call it the "Gjallermoon Regime" Considering how slack Atheon's trouser are, many players have achieved this wonderous feat, and aquired the coveted Gjallermoon, and gleefully trotted along to the crucible, where they (I believe this is how the kids say it) [i]wtfpwnz0r8ed[/i] the opposition with a k/d average of eleventy-million. Do we; A - Consider buffing every other gun in the game to be able to compete? B - It's fine as it is, anyone can go along and get it for themselves (until they patch Atheon's trousers) C - Think about maybe possibly potentially consider perhaps nerfing it a little bit ([i]oh my good you scrub get good you are ruining the game ohwon'tsomebodythinkofthechildren[/i]) [b]TL;DR[/b] Something about badgers. Nerf Atheon's Trousers