Something tells me that the dlc won't bring players back for more than a day want a good pve. Come to destiny. Want a better pve that will last more than 1 day. Buy skyrim. Still a great game. Want a pvp that doesn't have kill trading. Buy COD (sadly.) want a pvp that may have kill trading but not to the extent of destiny but more fun. (Halo MCC. Likely the reason xbox sold as much as it did. Not a fanboy and psn servers are far worse than microsofts.) loot can only hold people so long. Random isn't rewarding. You need to tune down the RNG a bit and all the caps you have. Your casual audience won't buy the DLC and i can get much more for my money. You won't sell destiny 2 on hype if this continues. I know they won't give free DLC but thats the problem. You aren't giving you customer anything. Good graphics sure but i couldn't care less about graphics and in my mind halo 2 still looks good. Music is great but i wouldn't buy a game just for the music. This is honesty and unless every game thats coming out flops massively. You won't survive long. Casuals will buy a better game and they are not loyal fanboys. They just move on. Destiny could have been a great game and anything you have tried that innovates just crashes and burns. You know nothing of an MMO besides raiding and how many people have raided. Ask yourself that. I know it won't work with matchmaking but that doesn't change the fact it's the best part. I know a lot of people will say BYE but at least wait until MCC comes out and don't be disrespectful. The money is not the issue, the issue is lazy developers and why do a lot of work on a game to make little money when you can do little work on a game for a lot of money. In the end its about enjoyment and when games involve grinding expect heavy playtimes from everyone.