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9/15/2014 9:43:53 PM
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Story Theory (Y cant i hold all these SPOILERS)
Ladies and gents strap yourself in, its all about the plot today... and im probably way off but: The black garden appears to be a terraformed Mars, (due to the way the grimoire refers to the flowers and an iron planet, if you didn’t know Mars is red from Iron Oxide) i assume its mars long before the beginning of humanities Golden Age, or long after, The vex discovered the garden and within it the darkness; but there are also mentions of a gardener (referred to as a her) with great power. The warlock Pujari had visions of the garden while sinking in the waters of the shores of time.
I can’t accurately speculate on what the content of the garden is, but it is obvious destiny is all about being cryptic. Halo was equally as cryptic, but in the long run predictable.(the first hint being the vex, and then the strangers rifle, its apparently made of tech that isn’t invented yet, touched by strange power)
Anyway back to mars, during humanities Golden Age, which sounded like a boss ass time, humanity stretched to the corners of our solar system, The chinese discovered mars, and the Ishtar collective research team on Mars discovered the vex, in the form of inactive vex husks buried in the sandy ruins.
Ishtar begin experiments on a still functional vex and discover that inside the vex is producing an extremely detailed simulation of a research team on mars discovering that a vex is simulating them. (i know right now were getting into tricky stuff)
At this point they call a Warmind (presumably RASPUTIN) to enter the vex simulation to stop the vex being able to predict their behaviour, because a warmind is perfectly unpredictable, at this point the grimoire stops in detail but its safe to assume the previously dormant vex react to the warminds presence in their simulation and thus this is the action that begins the collapse of the golden age.
from here we have a possibility worth mentioning.
we could just be fighting an ancient, time travelling, evil, which would complicate things by creating undesirable IMO multiple timelines, shit fans will never keep up with OR
given the networky, universal, streamy, data-flowy style of the vex so far, Destiny could be playing out entirely INSIDE a vex simulation.
this would explain the vex ability to cheat persey, bending the laws of physics to appear out of nowhere from unknown spaces in time; because they are literally the admin-bots of the universe as we know it. hence why theres no memory of the collapse, humanity was pulled into a simulation, and now our reality is out there somewhere.
Back to the vault of glass, now lets assume the vault of glass represents a nexus in time, a vex simulation hub containing pieces of information on all possible futures based on the outcome of an given simulation. I say this because inside the vault there are Vex from both the multiple distant futures and the distant past, according to the grimoire. The powers the vex have inside the vault, such as an ability to make things “un-exist” apparently don’t work outside the VoG. This would support the Sims theory. The fact ghosts can resurrect long dead people also make me wonder if the Traveller isn’t a third party, meddling in a vex simulation by storming around trolling our robot enemy by bringing dead players back into the game.
I can’t explain the garden’s place in all of this, the nine’s shadowy illuminati-like presence in the world should also stir thought, as they are rumoured to be god-like creatures from the seas of the moons of Titon and Triton. They could be heavily string-pulling. all we need to know is exactly how the collapse went down, and we will have an answer.
Nothing is as it seems in Destiny, RASPUTIN could be the only human made entity in the whole universe that still realises its in a sim, hence why ive got $5 on us needing to find rasputin on the moons of saturn in a coming expansion so he can tell us this. I just thought it would be interesting to share what I’ve managed to come up with by paying attention to all the subtle hints in the grimoire!
It will be cool to see where Bungie take this.
Comment what you think below!
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3 RepliesSome of my sources for those that are struggling to see where I’m coming from: The Darkness Ghost Fragment 1: "The Monist Position, or the Deflationary Position, considers the Darkness as a technologically sophisticated force, perhaps a post-Singularity intelligence. Adherents invoke information theory or contend that the universe is a simulation, allowing advanced intelligence to gain weakly acausal powers by bending the rules. The Acataleptic Clause claims that we are intrinsically unable to understand the Darkness. In many respects this belief parallels the Praxic Creed, which suggests that we should stop worrying about the nature of the Darkness and focus on resisting and defeating it. Certain positions - often labeled heretical - imply that the Traveler itself triggered the Collapse, or that it knew the Darkness was coming for it and hoped to use the Solar System as a sacrifice or a proxy army. The Binary Star cult is one notable example.” Darkness Ghost Fragment 3: "imagine three great nations under three great queens. The first queen writes a great book of law and her rule is just. The second queen builds a high tower and her people climb it to see the stars. The third queen raises an army and conquers everything. The future belongs to one of these queens. Her rule is harshest and her people are unhappy. But she rules. This explains everything, understand? This is why the universe is the way it is, and not some other way. Existence is a game that everything plays, and some strategies are winners: the ability to exist, to shape existence, to remake it so that your descendants - molecules or stars or people or ideas - will flourish, and others will find no ground to grow.” The Gorgons: “Like the Oracles and the Templar, the Gorgons reputedly possess the ability to define what is and is not real. Whatever they perceive becomes subject to erasure at their will. Until a countermeasure can be found, Guardians must avoid their gaze at all costs - or reply to any detection with immediate, overwhelming force. The Gorgons' ability must be tied to the nature of the Vault of Glass. We can take some solace in the clear fact that the Vex cannot manifest this power in the world outside." Ghost Fragments 1, 2 and 3: Vex From the Records of the Ishtar Collective ESI: Maya, I need your help. I don't know how to fix this. SUNDARESH: What is it? Chioma. Sit. Tell me. ESI: I've figured out what's happening inside the specimen. SUNDARESH: Twelve? The operational Vex platform? That's incredible! You must know what this means - ah, so. It's not good, or you'd be on my side of the desk. And it's not urgent, or you'd already have evacuated the site. Which means... ESI: I have a working interface with the specimen's internal environment. I can see what it's thinking. SUNDARESH: In metaphorical terms, of course. The cognitive architectures are so - ESI: No. I don't need any kind of epistemology bridge. SUNDARESH: Are you telling me it's human? A human merkwelt? Human qualia? ESI: I'm telling you it's full of humans. It's thinking about us. SUNDARESH: About - oh no. ESI: It's simulating us. Vividly. Elaborately. It's running a spectacularly high-fidelity model of a Collective research team studying a captive Vex entity. SUNDARESH:...how deep does it go? ESI: Right now the simulated Maya Sundaresh is meeting with the simulated Chioma Esi to discuss an unexpected problem. [indistinct sounds] SUNDARESH: There's no divergence? That's impossible. It doesn't have enough information. ESI: It inferred. It works from what it sees and it infers the rest. I know that feels unlikely. But it obviously has capabilities we don't. It may have breached our shared virtual workspace...the neural links could have given it data... SUNDARESH: The simulations have interiority? Subjectivity? ESI: I can't know that until I look more closely. But they act like us. SUNDARESH: We're inside it. By any reasonable philosophical standard, we are inside that Vex. ESI: Unless you take a particularly ruthless approach to the problem of causal forks: yes. They are us. SUNDARESH: Call a team meeting. ESI: The other you has too. Ghost Fragment: Vex 2[edit] From the Records of the Ishtar Collective SUNDARESH: So that's the situation as we know it. ESI: To the best of my understanding. SHIM: Well I'll be a [profane] [profanity]. This is extremely [profane]. That thing has us over a barrel. SUNDARESH: Yeah. We're in a difficult position. DUANE-MCNIADH: I don't understand. So it's simulating us? It made virtual copies of us? How does that give it power? ESI: It controls the simulation. It can hurt our simulated selves. We wouldn't feel that pain, but rationally speaking, we have to treat an identical copy's agony as identical to our own. SUNDARESH: It's god in there. It can simulate our torment. Forever. If we don't let it go, it'll put us through hell. DUANE-MCNIADH: We have no causal connection to the mind state of those sims. They aren't us. Just copies. We have no obligation to them. ESI: You can't seriously - your OWN SELF - SHIM: [profane] idiot. Think. Think. If it can run one simulation, maybe it can run more than one. And there will only ever be one reality. Play the odds. DUANE-MCNIADH: Oh...uh oh. SHIM: Odds are that we aren't our own originals. Odds are that we exist in one of the Vex simulations right now. ESI: I didn't think of that. SUNDARESH: [indistinct percussive sound] Ghost Fragment: Vex 3[edit] From the Records of the Ishtar Collective SUNDARESH: I have a plan. ESI: If you have a plan, then so does your sim, and the Vex knows about it. DUANE-MCNIADH: Does it matter? If we're in Vex hell right now, there's nothing we can - SHIM: Stop talking about 'real' and 'unreal.' All realities are programs executing laws. Subjectivity is all that matters. SUNDARESH: We have to act as if we're in the real universe, not one simulated by the specimen. Otherwise we might as well give up. ESI: Your sim self is saying the same thing. SUNDARESH: Chioma, love, please hush. It doesn't help. DUANE-MCNIADH: Maybe the simulations are just billboards! Maybe they don't have interiority! It's bluffing! SHIM: I wish someone would simulate you shutting up. SUNDARESH: If we're sims, we exist in the pocket of the universe that the Vex specimen is able to simulate with its onboard brainpower. If we're real, we need to get outside that bubble. ESI: ...we call for help. SUNDARESH: That's right. We bring in someone smarter than the specimen. Someone too big to simulate and predict. A warmind. SHIM: In the real world, the warmind will be able to behave in ways the Vex can't simulate. It's too smart. The warmind may be able to get into the Vex and rescue - us. DUANE-MCNIADH: If we try, won't the Vex torture us for eternity? Or just erase us? SUNDARESH: It may simply erase us. But I feel that's preferable to...the alternatives. ESI: I agree. SHIM: Once we try to make the call, the Vex may...react. So let's all savor this last moment of stability. SUNDARESH: [indistinct sounds] SHIM: You two are adorable. DUANE-MCNIADH: I wish I'd taken that job at Clovis.
