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Edited by strondbokken: 9/18/2014 9:03:43 PM
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No Matchmaking for Endgame Raids? Buh Bye, Destiny....

Sorry, but this is the deal breaker for me and millions of others I've seen flaming this incredibly poor decision. First off, THIS IS NOT AN MMO. It lacks all the things you need to get a good judge of who you are raiding with as well and has no way to meet people. Second, even if I DID want to meet randoms, how can I? No public chat, no way to communicate at all, no way to do anything except "dance" or "wave". I've heard their lead developer "defend" this decision, as all out-of-touch executives do. "Our raids are so hard, you'll NEED 6 people that are friends blah blah blah". Sorry, but a "hard" raid doesn't always add up to an enjoyable experience. Are these raids harder than the legendary MMO raids that grouped strangers in raids for decades? Doubt it. And please stop making us sound like antisocial losers for wanting to try it with strangers. You guys at Bungie sound like an overbearing dungeon master in D&D and it's really poor form, especially since every Destiny forum is filled with "LFG" posts for VoG. Now, what you've done is put the nail in the coffin for 99% of your user base. I've been in love with this game up until yesterday, when I realized that even with my fancy legendary and exotic weapons, all I could do without 5 other "friends" was the same old lvl 24 strike for the millionth time. Not much fun. The same levels and the same bosses over and over just with higher levels? So much potential wasted by people who have no idea what people really want. 6/10 right now, just like to rest of the world is saying. Hoping for improvement. Great gameplay, but not much else to keep its hooks in you. Everything else looks like it was done by the MMO B Team. PvP needs work too, but that will come in time I'm sure. Gonna miss the game, but what's the point in playing when you are already grinding repetitively in the first week and there's no change on the horizon? ALSO, please explain to me how LFG posts on random forums are a batter way to do this than adding matchmaking? STILL random people. Not friends, just people without 5 active friends (just like me) who want to do the content. Silly if you ask me. UPDATE: So I took the advice of those saying "I have poor social skills in games" (let's ignore the irony in that for a second) and started adding random people that were good in Strikes, people I met, whatever. Added over 50 people in the past few days. And guess what? Maybe 5 of them are online at a time. Even in the clans I 'm in. And out of those 5, maybe ONE will answer when I send a message to raid. Maybe. With no social tools, no public chat, no clan management, and these "incredibly hard raids" that Bungie seems to be SO proud of, they've essentially pissed off many people instead of making this fun for anyone. First off, what is the point of making a raid THAT hard? Does it make your developer epeen stiffen up to see people wipe 1,600 times? Pandemonium was like that in FFXI and it was a laughing stock. Nobody liked it. And second, where is the other content for those of us who don't have 15+ hours to raid per week? There are no other dungeons/raids besides the ones on repeat in strikes. Boring. Even WoW had at least a half dozen random dungeons you could so between levels 40-60 at launch. They also had numerous mobs instead of 4 factions with 4 different mobs in each. I'm now level 27. More than adequately geared for a raid. Strikes are the most mundane thing ever now, since I've done them so many times. I've farmed for legendary engrams, I've gotten rep up with several factions. I've got some exotic weapons (though none of them are that great outside of pvp - shotguns, etc.). I'm literally pretty much out of stuff to do and it's only been a week. Yes, I play a lot, but come on. There should be at least something to do other than grind. Aside from Ascendant Shards, there's not much more I need to increase my gear anyway. And where's my motivation to increase it when I can easily kill everything EXCEPT what's in the raid which I can't find people for? Also, Bungie, if you're going to be this obtuse about our player abilities, then at least add some sort of clan management system in game. Why does the game with the biggest budget ever still have us posting "LFG for VoG": on random forums? Why do we need to leave game to even see what our own clan is doing? And why are we supposed to get hyped about the next xpac when we can't even enjoy this one? I bet maybe 1% of the player pop has even tried VoG. Nobody wants to even give it a shot now because it's so hard. I'm sure I'll continue to get flamed on this post by kids younger than some of the dents in my car, but the fact remains that this game, although an epic achievement, has missed the mark entirely on what it needs to keep people involved for more than a month. Sure, it's a new game, but the old "new games are always lacking, buggy, etc." argument is no longer valid. Only in the gaming industry is this acceptable and it needs to stop. You have $500,000,000 invested in this. Surely you could have taken .0001% of that to hire decent writers and some immersion? Wishful thinking I guess... I really hope a Bungie dev reads this and takes it to heart, but they won't. So, I guess I'll just hold my breath in the hopes that they are aware of how unhappy everyone is and do something about it. I love this game and I see so much potential in it. But for god's sake, PLEASE stop trying to reinvent the wheel at every turn. Some things just work. Leave them be and put more effort into decent writing and immersion. This game will never live up to its potential without it.
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  • I love all these people defending Bungie for restricting your choices, for all we know he does have friends and does raid. The point is, is that Bungie, restricted the option to let you CHOOSE. Now I like choices, I don't like being restricted to only doing A or B, I like having C and D as a viable option as well. Most of us probably know of "Raid Finder" where you can CHOOSE to match yourself up with some randoms, or you can also ask for more in chat or join a guild. I like it either way, I like joining my guild and talking on vent from time to time, but I also enjoy non-communicating sometimes. (again, choices) And so I can do that. I can CHOOSE if I want to go in and hope for the best or wait for guild night and join a solid and stable group. What I would like to see are more choices in Destiny. I agree with strondbokken, although I can almost feel his anger emanating from the post, he does make a point, many. But most of the posters just stand behind Bungie and wont listen to, or actually think on it. You got your game. You're happy. End of story. But for the more choice oriented person, we want to speak up, and we are. I remember when the Destiny beta came out, it was fun, it was grungy with a certain type of beauty, and the music..some of the best yet. Now after all was said and done my only grief, my only one, just one. Was that there was no skip button for the cutscenes. Which meant if I wanted to make an alt I was forced to sit through all the cutscenes again. I don't mind watching them again but when you restrict my CHOICE to, then I get upset. So I found a thread in which someone else had the same issue and left a little comment in it. Did they listen, did they give us a choice to skip? No. The first, opening cinematic, Yes. But all the in-game cutscenes, No. Destiny to me is a watered down version of every other MMO and FPS combined. It was made by Bungie for Bungie. They kept the cards close to their chest and didn't listen to feedback. These are the worst of choices you can make in the online gaming community. Not listening to the fans that have and are supporting you. And to restrict content for the Xbox users isn't punishing Microsoft, it's punishing the gamer. The one who went out and bought your game. No excuse for that. NONE. All I ask is that you, The gamers and the consumers and the developers really think about how you model a game. Are you modeling it for yourself and a close knit group of friends or are you modeling it for everyone. Are you going to tell everyone that your company is going to restrict CHOICES? And then consider your choices, and what you want in your choices and from your choices. Lastly, speak out. Don't let drones deter you from voicing your opinions, concerns and wants. But will you listen? Probably not. Prove me wrong, Bungie.

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