We need to break this down. Borderlands 1 came out in 2009, 5 years ago. Literally the two are the exact same genre and based around the same idea. Play with friends online, level up get better guns and powers. Loot and shoot rpg. Borderlands out the gate was probably somewhere between double to triple the amount of locations to explore. Destiny has about 4 planets out the gate. Destiny has a level 20 level cap before motes of light borderlands 40. Borderlands certainly had a main story with many funny side quests. Destiny, not so much. Story felt tacked on, hard to follow and going out of your way to make sense of it all makes no sense. Both had vehicles, mini bosses, bosses. Borderlands for a 5 year old game actually felt more explorable- with no return to battlefield counters. Destiny feels bland, stale and with a short6-8 hour campaign borderlands easily gives you 20 hours of campaign to play without extra missions. Borderlands at the time of 2009 recieved mostly 8-9s, reasoning? It was 2009. People expect more than Rachet and Clank style(2001) space ships. They expect No mans sky space exploration especially from a AAA Dev. They want a good story, lots of rewards and extras. Cutting content for DLC is a huge turn off for the average consumer. Bungie get your act together its 2014 not 2001 or 2009. Stop making excuses and give us the game we know you can make. Take risks you spend millions on this game and where did it go? A social game with no social features? No MM for raids? Bland pvp?