[quote]We were a month from launch Did you really except them to add all your beloved features in? Whatever you saw in the beta, that's it[/quote] Everything up to this statement up here was reasonable.... But this. This is just So wrong! I honestly hope you don't seriously believe that the full game will be planet Earth, one crucible mode with 2 maps, and a level 8 cap. That split-screen and proximity chat things was valid, but It's not major. Those are just little things that won't ruin a game for a large majority of people.

You've not even played the game yet you donut. Jesus Christ you're even worse than those fanboys. You've basically read the back of a book and said "sounds meh". Read the book first. So pipe down, wait to play the full game and then form an opinion.

I am not going to take a big shit on you, that's the biggest waste of effort on any forum. What you have here is a difference of opinion with a collective, your frustration with not being able to sway said collective is really showing in your post. Splitscreen: If we were still on an N64, where internet did not exist in its current state, I would be on my horse right beside you. Up in arms and ready to hack any jerk who said it was dumb. Splitscreen is a family oriented design, first and foremost. If you love gaming with your brothers, sisters or parents then this luxury item is a must have. But, this day and age is a bit different than the one a lot of us grew up in. The online population for FPS genre's exceed traditional methods and as an additional production cost to include splitscreen and online pseudo mmo persistent world gameplay, is just not there. Typical counter argument: You could do that in the later Halo games. This would be incorrect, Halo was strictly a lobby style game that outside of story gameplay which was traditional and linear as hell, had no persistent online world. It was a matchmaking lobby. With less to focus on in core design, adding additional commands being sent from the console to the servers was easier to achieve. You should also remember, this wasn't a day one deal, it took time to get to that point. Destiny is a different beast and we know we are getting 3 more games. Proximity chat: Default off, I am ok with this. Nobody should be forced to stop their gameplay in order to mute every random. It goes beyond taking 5 seconds to mute a single person, with the instancing set up, you may need to mute a new person every 5 seconds. The compounding inconvenience far outweighs the perceived necessity, where-as having your friends and fireteam only is the easiest solution. Nobody is dismissing the benefits, they just don't compare to the mountain of cons attached to it. If you're a seasoned FPS gamer, you know the problems associated with proximity chat that persist, cross platform and generation. Issues from the Beta: Yeah, it is a Beta, that's the time to have issues and get people to speak up about it. But there are more factors than an irate few to determine whether the issue is an issue, or just user bias and preference. Metrics, Reports, in house testing which is compared against beta feedback. If someones complaint doesn't add up, it's not game breaking, limiting or even a problem. The user is their own problem, either due to hypersensitivity or other issues that no one would dare to accuse. Misconceptions of DLC are huge, especially on the internet and in communities like Reddit, Imgur and any other popular outlet that uses the silly Pie model to explain DLC. The fact is, you're always getting the whole game as it is intended to be on release. Very rarely do you get something that should be there but isn't due to a pay gate. While you can choose to be ignorant of this and continue to argue against DLC with nothing but assertions, you should at least acknowledge the truth of it. 1: Return on Investment and cost bloat, it takes more to make more. Self explanatory is self explanatory. 2: Cut content that was a part of scope bloat, this was the fat that didn't make the final cut but after a redesign, was a good fit for the game. 3: DLC gives a studio a reason to keep people on board and justify their jobs. Most Contracts are 6-9 months, depending on the department you specialize in and your previous experience. Yes, there are contracts for longer, considering some games take 5 years to make now, but if you want to get your foot into the door, this is your life. RFT is hard to come by in the gaming industry and is a huge reason why many designers just wash out after a few years, DLC offers more work and experience. 4: Was the part of a sequel, but funding got cut so it's time to get what you can with what you have. It may save the franchise, so you might as well shoot for the stars and possibly hit the moon. That being said, there are cases where a game was slimmed to make DLC. This practice is distasteful... But with Engines like Unreal out there, where next gen is possible and they want to make it as cheap as possible (cheaper than last gen productions, excluding inflation) then there is hope for the future. There is no such thing as perfect my friend. You're mixing peoples willingness to overlook minor details in order to see the grand picture, with blind faith, because lets face it, even masterpieces have flaws.

You forgot to mention the lack of raid matchmaking...

Opinions =/= Facts Stop trying to pass them off as facts "No Sliptscreen is a flaw" <--- opinion.

[quote]no split screen[/quote] Yes, it is sad to see that the next bungie game is without it. And maybe it would have been nice to see if they could have that new kind of split screen that breaks up the image to different polarizations so two people can play using a whole screen. But: Maybe split screen takes up a lot of processing power and memory that they need elsewhere. Just a thought. [quote] No prox chat[/quote] Yup. That would have been nice to have. at least in tower/pve. [quote] these features are optional[/quote] Yes they are and I would add aim assist and aim acceleration to the list of options we dont have. [quote] Its just a beta[/quote] Yes. I agree that people use this a lot. And with big uppercase letters they tell you how its a beta and that means everything will change. Im thinking it was more of a demo. The beta part was first an foremost for network and server testing. [quote]Theres always DLC[/quote] I love this one. If the game is short, the game is short. But all in all, Destiny does shape up to be a pretty good game. The main problem is the lack of information from Bungie. They are god damn masterminds at saying zero things with many words.

I agree. If you don't admit the game has flaws and point them out how can we expect better games in the future?

[quote]These features are optional You don't want them, don't use it They're easy to add but still You guys defend Bungie like they're always right[/quote] Do people just think the developers just click their fingers and these features appear in game? Some people need to stop and think that perhaps some of these features could have been omitted for actual reasons, such as hardware limitations (like splitscreen, 2 sets of input, 2 screens to render albeit half size, but still it's extra load on the gpu and processor). These features also eat up dev time, which can be better spent doing other things like fixing actual bugs or implementing things of real concern to the widespread community. I do think the voice chat [b]is[/b] an issue, only because of the fact the game has been made out to be social, so there should at least be a streamlined way to interact socially in some capacity. On the splitscreen issue: I haven't played a game splitscreen since probably one of the X360 release titles. And I know very few others who have either. I dont see the lack of this as a real flaw, it's a bit annoying for a small minority, but thats about it. More focus being put into online is fine with me, since that's where majority of the time will be spent for most of the community anyway. Also, I haven't seen a single post of anyone saying destiny is absolutely perfect. In saying that though, as far as AAA game releases go Destiny will probably be as close to it as you'll see in a long time.

Split-screen in this game just isnt the MMO style