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Edited by Ingloriouswho98: 8/24/2014 11:26:54 PM
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Honestly, it's amazing how many excuses you guys can come up with for Destiny Seriously, the faster we can admit that Destiny has flaws, the faster we can actually discuss the game Really, do you actually except this game to be [i]the best game ever[/i] or so good that you'll skip school or work for it?? I love Destiny as much as anyone (not you guys though) but honestly it's just a game The conversations you guys hold really worry me "Deej, please cancel his preorder. We don't want him to experience your epic creation" - some fanboy who responded to a legit concern Seriously?? You guys need to admit that it has some flaws No split screen? That's a big flaw "Modern games have no need for split screen" "Split screen holds the game back" Really? If Bungie had added split screen I can guarantee that [b]no one[/b] will be complaining how split screen is such a thing of the past No proximity chat Another big one With how much Bungie is emphasizing teamwork, you would expect a ways to communicate with others right? You're seriously very alone in the "social" world of Destiny "I don't want people raging through my mic" Then mute them Is it really that hard to spend five seconds to mute someone?? These features are optional You don't want them, don't use it They're easy to add but still You guys defend Bungie like they're always right And after the beta, there were obviously many features that we didn't like or didn't see "ITS JUST A BETA" I hate that so much We were a month from launch Did you really except them to add all your beloved features in? Whatever you saw in the beta, that's it From the beta to the launch is just to smooth out bugs or to fix up any technical problems And they really didn't try to hold back in the beta Don't try the "they blocked off a large percentage of the beta" thing "We're treating the beta as its own product. It's going to be big. We're throwing everything we got at this thing" - some interview with Bungie It was advertised as the preorder bonus and its own grand journey Honestly, it left a lot to be desired I'm not going to say what the beta failed at because every game has flaws I'm okay with that It's just the community coming to defending every mistake that pisses me off Now after the beta and you get more and more info, toy realize that the content is much smaller than you thought and that it doesn't live up to expectations You then try to push the problem away by saying "DLC! DLC!" "Private matches in DLC" "More planets in DLC" Seriously, the fact that there are DLCs in the first place is terrible The game should come with the full game Not as a disc with downloads later on Trust me, DLCs don't offer that much From what I've seen of Destiny, DLCs are likely to include -Couple of new missions -Some new guns and items -New maps Do you really expect this game to be all that?? And when you find a legit concern, you mark it off as a O/1O troll to avoid addressing the problem #Destiny is basically Praise Destiny No opinions That being said, I love Destiny It's a great game Not the best or groundbreaking but very good But this forum is very self defeating You post questions that you already "know" the answers to "Will there be/Will you do/Why would you Blah Blah Blah in Destiny?" How do you know what's going to be in Destiny? You want so much in this game that of course you're going to think that it's all included This is the same argument you use on people with concerns for the game "You don't know what Destiny is like so don't criticize it" Yet you go right back to daydreaming about your beloved features that you want in the game Once (if) you finally realize that Destiny isn't perfect, we can have discussion "Oh this weapon/feature/map/gamemode is lacking. What can we do to fix it?" Or "Oh man, this weapon/map/mission/feature totally sucks. Let's see what we can do to make it better" But there's none of that because you think the game is perfect Let's please come back to Earth and be real Thanks Edit: I'm not complaining about the game I'm complaining about fanboys defending it
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  • Edited by H0RSE: 8/24/2014 7:21:11 AM
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    [quote]No split screen? That's a big flaw[/quote] No it isn't. It's your opinion. [quote]If Bungie had added split screen I can guarantee that no one will be complaining how split screen is such a thing of the past[/quote] I would. I would rather the time/resources put into such a dated/niche feature, be used elsewhere. [quote]No proximity chat Another big one[/quote] Another opinion... [quote]With how much Bungie is emphasizing teamwork, you would expect a ways to communicate with others right? You're seriously very alone in the "social" world of Destiny [/quote] It's all about how you look at it. A game that essentially does all the work for you with things like proxy chat or MM, could arguably be less socially engaging than a game that that has all the parts in place, but makes the player use them. In other words, when you don't have to actually put in any effort or initiate anything on your own, it creates the facade of being a "social experience," when actually it can work against itself, and come off as anti-social, like how social networking sites can be anything but social, providing a "dumbed down" version of social interactivity. [quote]"I don't want people raging through my mic" Then mute them[/quote] Do you honestly think it would be that easy? Like players worthy of muting would be such a rare occurrence, that when it happened, it wouldn't be such a big deal? If virtually any other MP game is evident of player behavior, players worthy of muting would be a daily occurrence, likely to the point where a toggle for proxy chat as a whole should need to be implemented. [quote]Is it really that hard to spend five seconds to mute someone??[/quote] Is it really that hard to join a Fireteam or invite someone to a party? Is there a problem with actively needing to take the steps to be social? [quote]These features are optional You don't want them, don't use it[/quote] If that was the case, it would mean that people with both it on and off would be playing, leading to the feature backfiring against itself, with people who have it enabled trying to talk to people with it disabled. If anything, "the lesser of 2 evils," would be to not have it at all for everyone, since it's harder for players without a voice to troll/abuse/offend others. [quote]Seriously, the fact that there are DLCs in the first place is terrible The game should come with the full game Not as a disc with downloads later on[/quote] Define "full game." Was Dragon Age a "full game" when it released Warden's Keep? Was Mass Effect 3 a "full game" when it released Omega? Was Skyrim a "full game" when it released Dawnguard? Do you think that a game isn't "full" unless it contains all the content the devs could possibly think of, despite the time constraints of the game development process or the the actual space limitations of physical media (discs)? [quote]From what I've seen of Destiny, DLCs are likely to include -Couple of new missions -Some new guns and items -New maps Do you really expect this game to be all that?? [/quote] And you're probably right, but 1) that doesn't mean Destiny is not a "full game" because of it, and 2)full expansions are dubbed as DLC's nowadays, which I expect Destiny to have more than one of. The game is planned for a 10 yr. lifespan. [quote]Honestly, it's amazing how many excuses you guys can come up with for Destiny [/quote] [quote]It's just the community coming to defending every mistake that pisses me off[/quote] [quote]But there's none of that because you think the game is perfect[/quote] Did you ever stop to think that maybe some of these people aren't coming up with excuses, but rather it's how they genuinely feel? That maybe they are defending these "mistakes" because they don't see hem as mistakes at all? That maybe they truly do see Destiny as their "perfect" game? Or did you ever think that maybe these people are being over-zealous due to having high expectations and not wanting to be let down, rather than blind fanboyism? It's a pretty common reaction to fear, in this case, fear of disappointment.

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    • I am taking 2 days off from work for it.

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    • What?

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    • I agree overall, but I think (hope) you're wrong on the DLC and at least chat and clan wars will be added in the near future.

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    • Edited by FairlySplendid: 8/25/2014 1:40:08 PM
      There's nothing wrong with discussing Destiny (negative or positive). The issue is that those on this forum (on b.net) who take issue with something are just as over-the-top as these "fanboys" of yours. Any feature or design decision they dislike or don't understand is immediate the worse thing ever created in the history of man. And the last thing they are interested in is hearing someone disagree with [i]their[/i] negative opinion on the subject. So yeah..... Both sides lose. Because [i]both[/i] sides of the fence blindly believe their opinion is the correct one. Welcome to the internet.

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    • Everything has flaws...except Jessica Alba.

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      • yup

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      • Bro, your jimmies are full on rustled.

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      • You lie!

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      • Still taking 5 days off from work to play Destiny! Its better than anything currently out on the new consoles. I played the beta for 3 days and had more fun playing it than i have in the last 4 years playing Halo Reach, H4, Gears of War,Boarderlands Skyrim, WOW, ect. Plus its paid vacation why not enjoy it?

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      • Strangely, I agree.

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      • Lel

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        • ...complaining about people complaining? *looks about...* Yup. Definitely the Destiny forum.

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        • It's hopeless man these people don't listen, just ignore them and try to converse with the few of us who aren't blind and would like to see the game improve. The largest gleaming fail is no proximity chat and from the moment I understood Destiny I assumed it was a given that it should be there.... The tower supports such a low amount of players in each instance of it at a time that once again I assumed that Bungie would for sure incorporeal this

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        • Edited by BlackWrath313: 8/25/2014 6:10:10 AM
          No one plays split screen, let that one go...seriously. A game like this couldn't work split screen unless you're willing to tail each other's every -blam!-ing move. This game is about exploration a blazing your own path to DESTINY. I agree with your other points tho!

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          • I agree with you 100%, but even I'm not dumb enough to hurt the fan boy emotions!! You asked for it bro.

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          • Just look at the threads man. The people have already discussed this. Its old news. Yes the game has flaws but it's the best flawed game I've played in a long time.

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          • Edited by NightHawk_12: 8/25/2014 4:21:00 AM
            Who are these "you guys" you keep speaking of? You're making these sweeping generalizations without realizing that you just wrote a giant wall of text regarding a very loud minority. The vast majority of silent voices will enjoy Destiny for what it is, flaws and all. No game is perfect, though many games are fun. You also must realize that the "flaws" you mentioned are features that the vast majority do not care about. It's not that people think the game is perfect the way it is, it's that these features that you claim are missing features most people don't care about. To a large majority of people these feature aren't missing, they just don't need to be there for them (us) to enjoy the game.

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            • Edited by Branderson178: 8/25/2014 4:26:54 AM
              1. No split screen is not a flaw. It doesn't hold the game back but it in no way makes the game better either. But hey if people want it in the game, doesn't bother me. But I think Bungie has more important things to work on. 2. No proximity chat. I'll agree with this part. Prox chat could be a good addition. I also remember seeing a good idea somewhere else about an area people go to when they want to group for raids. So proximity chat and that I think would go well together. 3. I've seen a lot of repeat threads or some nonsensical threads, but accept the fact that its going to happen when you have a large number of people on a forum site. Another problem is often on this forum, I've seen that when people make criticisms toward the game, they tend to outright insult the game or Bungie. That gets people riled up, leading them to defend the game that we enjoy. 4. Who is to say what the DLC's will and will not include? I believe I remember hearing the planets in Destiny will have one explorable location [b]at launch [/b] If that's true then whose to say that there won't be DLC's adding new locations? Considering the game is supposed to have a 10 year life cycle they [b]have to [/b] add new locations and expand on content at some point. There's a lot of DLC possibilities with this game. For multiplayer it can be: Maps, Weapons, Armor, maybe something I'm not thinking of. PvE can have: New planets or explorable areas on a planet. Weapons and armor. They already said there will be story expansions. Cosmetics like new ship designs, new vehicles and sparrow designs. If you're going to complain about dlc should be part of the game then you need to take that up with all of the big video game companies. Not just Bungie. Since most if not all do it. I expect private matches would be a free update. No one has ever charged for an addition like private matches. 5. Personally, I feel a $60 game is worth it if I get enough hours into the game. Content is a factor but not the only factor for me. So I'm not worried about the whole lack of content thing I've seen going around.

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              • It's a fair/correct mentality, we should address issues with the game especially one you like. I feel though a few of your issues are somewhat going in the wrong direction, let me explain. As for split screen, I would argue firstly as someone who started and grew up with halo split screen that since I have had internet and was able to play online with my friends I have very, very, very seldomly used it. Along with that, it's a game from the ground up to be about character progression. Having a new friend who wants to join you for a few matches will be disappointed when the other guys have full skill sets and rare guns with effects he could never hope to match with a few hours of gameplay. It really just hurts the game experience, takes up resources and storage to manage temporary guest accounts and takes development time away from other far more used and important features. As for prox chat, I agree in the case of multiplayer matches. In fact it's a tad jarring to have a silent matches but anywhere else I disagree strongly. I would like to point to the attached picture to show you what it's like a a lobby with tonnes of people potentially in it. All talking at the same time, now imagine if that was voiced. In places like the tower or world areas where they want to pack people in together it would just be static among the voices. I DO personally think private matches should be a thing though, custom gametypes in halo and huge parties for them in halo proves that the demand is there and expected. Having those custom games sometimes get so popular they leak into the full games online matchmaking. It extends the life of the game and lets the community decide/effect the way they want the game to be. This should have been a no brainer for bungie. I also think they could improve the world gameplay significantly if they added a VERY small number neutral npc's with some one shot per person quests where you have to do more than the standard go here kill x or kill x amount of things. It would make the world feel more alive overall and while I understand that not many normal people would leave the safety of the last city, you gotta be delusional to say someone wouldn't leave the cities to risk it out there or not see the immense profit in collecting old world tech and selling it, the demand for it is HUUUUGE! Lastly lets talk about DLC. DLC can be free and essentially be a patch kind of like how mmo's patch new content in. Secondly there's nothing wrong with selling you add ons to a game to make it more fun or expand it's scope and extend it's life. DLC is not bad by default and one hundred percent depends on how it was made and priced. If it was cut from the original for the sake of dlc then yes it's bad. But lets say there's an "outside this galaxy DLC" that could be really good. DLC can also add a tonne,just look a TF2 Patches added gametypes that played 100% differently from the others or changed how the game played from the ground up. In short, your base thinking is sound but a tad skewed from looking only from your perspective. They have to meet deadlines and I bet would love to make a game that had everything but cutting things from the game because they have little use in that particular game so they can make other parts better is good. Prox chat is nice in smaller setting but because too many people talking at once is just frustrating and hard to manage I don't blame them for at least not having it in some places. I personally feel private matches and custom games should have been included as it has tonnes of advantages and there is demand for it. Lastly DLC is not inherently bad, it's more WHAT it that determines if it's good or bad. I hope you enjoyed the text wall and would be glad to talk more about it. I respect the original topic and thats why I wrote a long well thought out post for you, I'm sure you can handle it.

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                • You should probably invest less time into something you seem to hate and not understand.

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                  • Edited by jsinex2421: 8/25/2014 3:46:24 AM
                    I'm definitely a fanboy! I'm not blind about it though. There were many flaws to the alpha & beta. But it's still one of the greatest games I have played in 20+ years of gaming! I think it's a lot of people confusing opinions with facts too! Also, a LARGE portion of the community are children, pre-teens, & teens. They can't keep emotion out of breathing lol. Here's my personal opinion: That's an awful lot of Assumptions about a game where the finished product hasn't been revealed. The beta was hacked & the code for more missions, & strikes were found for at least three more planets other than earth & moon. But, yes. Everything has flaws. Everything. It's hard to assume anything other than it's a FPS. Just because a dev says things are one way are another how can you know if it's misdirection? We will only know at release. Based off what I have played so far the PvP is a good as mwf2(last good cod pvp in my opinion), has the feel of halo reach's pvp, with the best loot system since Diablo 2. From the roughly 100 hours I played of the alpha & beta combined, this is my favorite game I've ever played. I have 2800+ trophies psn & a healthy gamer score on xblive. Based in that I am off 9th & 10th. Even if Russia & the moon were 100% of the game it would still be great. Here's why I think that's wrong. The hack mentioned earlier. Every area was 98% accessible by lvl 8 characters with a lvl 20 cap. If we make a guess based on that it was roughly 38% of the game. Devs did say there are 4 more strikes. Also, the community has grown by word of mouth mostly. The media blitz is really just heating up. With it being pre ordered more than any other game is also enough for me. The split screen issue is a moot point for me as we ordered a white ps4 bundle as soon as it was available & made payments to pay it off with 20-40 bucks a week. With planning, a 2nd console isn't an issue. A second Xbox 360 or ps4 is less than 100 bucks. My wife & I will form a fire team using our respective ps4's. I'm jealous she gets the white one lol. Our third will be one of our clan mates randomly picked up. That's my opinion. If you feel the beta wasn't strong enough to warrant the investment of time and money for you, that's your prerogative. You said you loved it, so hopefully we will see you out there Starside. We won't really know 100% for sure what we are getting until the 9th.

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                  • The flaw with your post is that it is opinion presented as fact.

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                    • Haha I think of my self as a destiny fan boy but not as one of your. As in I completely agree with everything you have to say and, I completely acknowledge that destiny has it's flaws and is not a perfect game. I also do not feel believe I am blinded by my favoritism. But, I am still following the game to its core, I find time in the day to search it up everyday lol. On a side not, I really wish bungie would listen to people like you because what's the point of having communities and forums if the developer doesn't even listen to them. All of your suggestions are valid suggestions that a great portion of the community are asking for and it wouldn't hurt adde them to the game, and I hate it when people say it would because these features are completely [b]optional[/b]. Also, bungie claims this is a community driven game when they won't even listen to us. But who knows, maybe it's just that these things are not a part of their vision but, in that case they should at least release a statement. That's just my opinion anyways, See you Starside, Guardian

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