Some things it seems people are in need of reminding about: Aside from supers, there are pretty much just as many OHK weapons in Destiny as in most other competitive shooter. Actually, since destiny grenades don't OHK, you can go ahead and add the supers and I still think it has fewer OHK options than something like Battlefield. Speaking of supers, it's not like I can just blast nova bombs left and right whenever you want. These things take several minutes, or a huge killstreak, to power up. There's nothing that specifically tracks super kills in pvp, but I would say that only about 10% of my kills are from nova bomb. This small portion of my kill total does not "completely invalidate Destiny's competitive multiplayer." PVP is hard. People will always be smarter and sneakier than AI. Some people are very good at manipulating AI, and it makes them very good at pve. This will do you no good in pvp, where you have to use psychology to your advantage, not algorithms. You can get the pvp gear with a minimum of pvp play. I don't know how many of you noticed this, but giving stacks of 40 spinmetal (or any planetary gatherable resource) to the crucible bot gave you crucible marks and rep. Your preferred game type will not exclude you from the gear you want. In fact, pvp-centric players are the ones who will be excluded, since there is no way to obtain vanguard gear from pvp play. Time to kill varies from game to game. In the Halo series, time to kill is very long, and protracted duels are common and concentrated fire is your biggest advantage. In games like CoD and Battlefield, getting the drop on someone is the best way to win a fight, and duels are decided in a couple seconds. Destiny is between those two extremes, where it takes more than 4 bullet from my AR to someones torso to take them out, but I'm also not blowing a full magazine on one dude. Plus, even with space armor, how many bullets could YOU take before being combat ineffective? We all want Destiny to be everything we ever wanted, but just remember that Bungie is trying to craft an experience everyone can enjoy, so they are going to work just as hard on the things you like as the things you don't. Stay vigilant, Guardians.

I like cooperative play because it feels like your getting things done (at least for me) but in pvp it seems like nothing will ever change just more mindless killings( but call of duty, battlefield, even Arma are what most people buy). However, It is cool that Bungie gives you loot for pvp.

Being a PVE-er myself I understand your concern.Tho It will be interesting to see how deep/engaging the RPG element feels at higher levels in the game.

PVE > PVP

More quests and stuff please, don't care for pvp/mp.

Both... At the same time. Man, I wanna gank you so bad, I can taste it! Just catch you looting a gold chest and Titan super the F*CK outta you. Lol. Then loot the gold chest myself. :) You know?

A good thing might be is that if you kill too many of 1 group in a certain amount of time they get angry and start sending boom squads at you. Then finally sending in the hitman to get you after causing more damage to their ranks. That could be an event where everyone can help a fellow guardian from being hunted down. More or less like gta's heat system then everyone joins in on rank 5.

So many noob tubes. It's like the Lava Pit in Quake but not nearly as fun. The movement powers add to the dimension of combat, not just a strafe shooter. Other than the amount of ohk, the PvP is very promising. I'd like to see ALOT more clan integration in game and some sparrow racing. The stuff Guardians would do in downtime, just like any soldier blowing off steam. More options will create a more robust world.

I personally hated the pvp but that is because I suck ass at it. Plus I have black ops if I want to run around and get killed all the time. I got excited over destiny as I've been wanting an open world shooter that I can play with mates for a while. Borderlands was great but not quite right for me. So far in the beta the destiny pve has been great. Exploring with mates and generally causing havoc is just what I wanted. My only concern from playing the beta is that pretty much everything in the tower Is focused on pvp and requires crucible marks etc. There is very little for the vanguard. Obviously there may be a lot more for the vanguard in full release but the beta was all about pvp.

I don't necessarily feel that the PVP is better than the PVE ( not that I've played all thatch PVP ) but in the later stages of the Beta a certain amount of jealousy and bitterness was beginning to set in watching all these gamers with their uber cool are gear and hearing stories from gamers on this forum about all the great stuff they got in the crucible. I feel that if PVP is not your thing then you are only getting half the Destiny experience and that it is slot harder to get good loot.

Better pve and better Pvp.

for me there is a big problem with the "pvp mode ' what was that guys? honestly this game is so so good but I quickly drop the pvp is just unreal! kill a guardian is just too hard sometimes I was behind or even hide I shoot touch the guy and what's happened he turns and kills me quietly "what? but It's a dream or what?" I have made almost 10/12 try in this mode then I drop, sickened :( then I try again when the event of "the iron banner" starts it was the same for me or even worse. no really, there's a real problem with the pvp , personally I'm a fan of COD for "the pvp mode" and instead i'm not very fan of the history mode in COD, but the destiny's PVP leaves me a bitter taste and i hate that. Bungie you did a great job on the game one more time it's awesome but for the PVP mode,you'll have to work on it if you wanrt me to "looks over" again... Sorry if the translation is not very good I'm french

i like pvp and the story is good as is this is the beta once out a lot more special events will pop out in world

I think that it got a bit easy to blow through rooms of dudes in PvE once you hit level 8 and got yourself some gear you're good with (like a semi-auto rifle or a particularly sexy belt-fed heavy machine gun). Part of the reason for it was that the world is almost like a hub where the enemies are meant to be either beaten for levelling purposes or ignored because they are not worth your time and you have shit to do. As for the PvP, it's not bad to have it. It adds a competitive component to the game and it seems like training. The better you are against adaptive, thinking human beings, the better you will be against the AI. That, and it is a status thing. Grinding a Fallen Captain into the dust is only fun so many times. But throwing your nemesis across the map with a rocket will never get old. However, the PvE will be the focus, as it ought to be, because it is a large world that people are meant to explore. Hell, it's a damned solar system that we are taking back. If that becomes secondary to teabagging dudes on the moon, I think we should fear for the future of gaming.

PvE is better.

Why can't Bungie do PvE and PvP? The game has the base and capability to be great at both. It's only the Beta, most of the PvE hasn't even been discovered yet. And there's still quite a few people that want PvP and a decent competitive setting. Why not?

I tried the PvP part once and it bored me. I'll focus on PvE only and I hope they deliver a good level of content for it.

I agree. I only played a little PvP in the Alpha and I didn't care for it. I'm buying the game for the story/PvE. I'm tired of PvP, honestly.