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7/23/2014 1:40:09 AM
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This is what happens when people over-hype themselves.

This maintenance period was something that was told to us beta players from the beginning of this process. We were told something near a week in advance that there was a scheduled period of time the beta wouldn't be available because of network fixing and server-side things being done on Bungie's end. When did it become a secret update period that nobody knew about? People all over this forum have, for the last several days, been talking about what they want or even expect to be seen after that maintenance was up. Now that it's over and, guess what, nothing was added to the beta, there are people with torches and pitchforks looking to lynch someone for something they were never told would happen. Why do we as gamers make this so hard to enjoy? I'm seriously curious as to where this sense of entitlement has come from.
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  • Take a long look at US culture and it should explain where the entitlement comes from. Everyones a winner and should get something for nothing no matter what. The young adults now think the world owes them.

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    • The people are addicted. They have been given just enough to get addicted. They are talking to each other while they are high about how awesome this new drug is. Then the withdrawl starts to kick in, and when you feed them a bit more they realize hey this is good stuff but Jimbob told me it could make me fly... so WTF. I want the stuff that can make me fly... to the moon.. with the wizard... cuz its my Destiny fool. @DeeJ is both the Puppetmaster and the Pharmacist.

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    • Edited by CamTfirefox: 7/23/2014 4:26:33 PM
      It's not a gamer thing, it's a people thing. You'll always have people whose expectations aren't realistic, and the outcome is always the same, disappointment. This is a result of expecting with your feelings and believing that because you have a feeling, it'll be an eventual fact. You said it best, we were never told things would be added to the BETA, the only sliver of light that might have gotten gamers on the hook is the quote "We are treating the BETA like a full release." I just want August to fly by and see how I can manage the full release, work, my last STAT class, and my girlfriend all in one LOL.

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    • It was a false hope for most. Mainly because they didn't want to deal with the fact that the Beta is an over accessorized Alpha

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    • All I know is I'm super happy they at least opened it up hours early. I for one am having a blast playing what they have for now.

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    • When a child spends his parents hard earned money to pre order destiny so that child can play beta, that child expects the damn full game! Otherwise that child gets thier underoos in a knot and throws a tantrum all over the internet. ...

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    • Edited by Eodis: 7/23/2014 5:38:25 PM
      People didn't overhype themselves, Bungie did. I can even say they lied because they said there is something new in the game after maintenance, AND especially the 26th. It means we should have something when servers restarted and we didn't. I'm still glad to play the game and it's one of the most stable beta i played but sadly it's also a beta with the weakest content i ever played. It sounds more like a marketing demo. Also they are not clear about what will carry over, and we should know it since beta started.

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      • It IS a marketing demo! Do you think Bungie actually wanted us to find bugs? No! They are creating hype for the game. The game that has been presented to us so far is very clean and polished. Pff "beta"

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        • great post from someone with common sense:)

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        • There was an update and there were some changed. I was never one who had an issue finding loot chests. But soooo many complained that now they spawn more frequently. Also, the enemies did get a little bit smarter and it takes more to take some of them down. I used to be able to lay waste with my ar and it's single mag size of 24. Now I have to reload once just to take out a lvl 9 knight. Not complaining, it should have been tougher to begin with, just pointing out that there were some definite changes made during the maintenance period.

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        • People have lost all ability to hold reasonable expectations it seems. They can't ever look at the developer's intent and baseline their own expectations, they think whatever thought or inclination for improvement or feature they can conceive is instantly valid, because they are these entitled gamer gods and if Bungie does not appease them, they are going to spam never ending "Farewell" posts to go to other games (but never actually tell you what games they are going to go play without us) They are virtually like those kids that dream up a game for everyone in the neighborhood to play and when the other kids think its lame, they take their toys and leave. When the other kids ask them why they're no longer playing, they defensively reply "I've got better games to play" in between sobs as they cower in their closet all alone. It's just runaway narcissism. Consumerism caters to it, now its this unstoppable monster and individuals who lack objectivity simply feed off it.

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          • Ha lynch

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          • In general the sense of 'entitlement' comes from a couple things. First off, gamers still want something for their money. Maybe you don't work for yours so you don't care if you spend $65 for a piece of crap, but a lot of us are getting tired of shelling out cash for crap game after crap game. Myself, I've just stopped buying so many games and live on Steam now, but others don't want to transition to the PC so they complain. Simple fact is your most powerful complaint tool is to NOT BUY something, cause in the end that's all companies care about. So they get pissed because they're paying into things and not getting something that satisfies. 2nd is that this new 'generation' of gaming is the most pathetic technological jump in gaming history really, so older gamers like myself were expecting a much bigger technology jump from last gen to this gen than really happened, unless you switched to PC's which ARE as awesome as this new generation was SUPPOSED to be. Video gaming is becoming an insanely expensive hobby to up keep and it is becoming more and more disappointing almost every year. Finally with the advent of Kickstarters and Early Access content, gamers (especially PC gamers) are becoming much more used to and comfortable with interacting with the developers during the development process and giving feed back and ideas. It's OUR game after all, sure the developers make it, it's their baby, but in the end it lives or dies with US, not them. Ideally everyone should benefit from a transparent Developer - Consumer relationship, they can cater to the gamers more exactly but in exchange they have a product that sells better and longer. The problem comes with things like Destiny, which is a great game thus far, however if the Beta is any sign it's going to be monetized as hell and suffer horribly from the DLC curse of you only really get half a game and the rest comes on DLC so in the end the true WHOLE product cost more than $100. There's also the issue of expectations. It's fine to hope with lofty and unreasonable expectations, that's called dreaming, and dreaming is what makes awesome games. However when/if those EXACT expectations aren't met there are a good amount of people who flip their $h!t and go crazy. Myself, I just shrug and laugh and add the game to the massive list of crap that isn't worth my money. Issue is a LOT of people feel obligated to spend their money in this day and age, I don't understand it myself, but a lot of people get angry because they can't believe they paid so much for something which doesn't fulfill their expectations/desires, even though they're totally denying the REALITY that they didn't HAVE to buy the damn thing. They could have waited for reviews, tried it at a friends or who knows what else. In the end though their impatience coupled with an inability to accept that reality often falls short of expectation often creates a hostile and undesirable situation. Companies fail to price their product well in a failing economy, fail to listen to player input and fail to produce a complete product good enough for you to WANT more DLC. Players however fail to understand reasonable realistic expectations, fail to hold onto their money and wait to buy a product and fail to say NO to monetizing bastardized DLC centric business models. As a species we define ourselves through our hate and rage, the world is falling apart and a lot of us are angry about it, we're just misplacing that rage because it's easier to ignore the problem and be mad at something you have no control over than to get angry at something you obviously should be getting up off your @ss and doing something about.

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            • Idk buts I gotta asume it's very young players that have grown up in the everybody gets a trophy age.

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            • I agree, its getting ridiculous

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            • Still enjoying it, because I am looking forward to the full release date.

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            • A: It's come from liberalism. People teaching their kids that they "deserve" everything - and most of it for nothing.

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              • Agreed. It's just bizarre, and they haven't even had to pay anything, yet. Weird.

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              • One short and sweet answer the money, if you are dropping $60+ on a game you should feel entitled to something( unless ur using ur parents money)

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                • Upbringing.

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                • Summer holidays isn't it, all the kids aren't at school.

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                • it comes from the generation that thinks everyone should get a trophy, the world owes them a living, and life should be fair. then they enter the real world. disappointment ensues and their unicorn shatters. welcome to the nightmare called life as you will know it as long as you breathe air.

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                • Edited by Cokney Charmer: 7/24/2014 12:07:39 PM
                  Expectations and hopes...some can articulate them well, others fail miserably. Being a beta people no doubt assumed that Bungie will want to test more than just a single MP game mode on 2-4 maps (Iron Banners included). You also have the tease of the Moon Mission, available at level 6 but closed until final release. As its a location that remains hidden until you complete most of the story missions, why tease by adding it and making it appear as though you should have access? The forums are where fans come to discuss what they want to about Destiny, if you dont like it dont read the thread but it is more annoying coming to the forums to find new threads complaining about people complaining about the beta.

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                • Edited by sergeantawesome: 7/24/2014 1:25:22 PM
                  I don't really think its over-hyping as creating these false, unreasonable expectations. People take comments from Bungie and turn them into something else, analyzing every little letter in every little word, creating these insane conclusions by taking statements and twisting them, mutating them, destroying them and rebuilding them into these unrecognizable monstrosities. Maybe mommy and daddy got them 5 ponies for Christmas instead of 1 and everything else they ever wanted for years, and this is what happens.

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                • I haven't raised my torch or pitchfork, been enjoying the day early start and will be sad to see the beta end.

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                  • i was hoping to see level 9 or 10 maybe availble. for better weapon and gear options. i never expect to much content from betas to begin

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