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America vs. China in a war

Who wins? Neither side uses nukes
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HALO12325 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] HALO12325 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie A determined assault, once initiative and momentum are achieved, is very hard to stall. And there isn't much Canada could do. Most of Canada is empty space, which makes a war of maneuverability very easy to do. The Chinese very much could do this. If they really wanted to, just like we could invade them. Either way, its hubris to think we are invulnerable in Fortress America, or that our military is invincible. You both are pretty naive to think otherwise.[/quote] China wouldn't even be able to get this far. South Korea and Japan wouldn't be too happy with this. America would finally let Japan have a proper army. Nato wouldn't be having any of this either. Numbers alone don't win wars. With the major technological advantage and superior training of the Allied nations, they wouldn't get anywhere close to Canada. You're assuming they'll just steamroll right in without any opposition. Without aerial superiority, you can't win in this day and age. The Chinese would have extremely low morale once they fight against a better trained fighting force with better technology instead of Nepal or the Phillipines. [/quote] Where is japan supposed to get a military from??? A modern military isn't made in a day. If China moved on us, you bet your ass North Korea would move on South, and don't think for a minute South Korea would last. So, who's left? Thailand? Russia? If Russia didn't get involved, we would have Chinese in CONUS in no time. All the PLAAF has to do is flood the Bering Straight with Migs, and they could have enough time to get the men and material across. If Russia gets involved, then yeah, we might be able to stall the Chinese at the water. MIGHT. But don't grab your flag and start chanting USA USA, because we would still lose a lot of people. [/quote] Uhmm, it has a population of 130,000,000. They would be allowed to have a military, and training would begin immediately, just like how it did back in Korea. The only thing North Korea has over South Korea is artillery. That's it. It can only play defensive, not offensive. Their troops are weak, undernourished, have inferior weapons, inferior training, low morale and inferior everything. You don't seem to understand the effects of airpower over an enemy who doesn't have aerial superiority. It can make life for soldiers hell. North Korea's airforce is non-existent. China's is weaker than America's alone, never mind NATO. The only thing that would come about is the death of millions of Chinese and North Koreans, and the victims of North Korean artillery, and a small amount of Allied forces to get them to stop, they can't win. The Chinese don't have a magic blanket which will protect them from Allied aerial superiority. I'm not just waving my American flag around, but keeping in mind all of the factors at play, not just numbers. [/quote]Are telling me that the Japanese could manufacture a competent modern military over night? To say this was laughable would be an understatement. And North Korea's troops are malnourished etc... REALLY? The rest of the country starves so the Army can live there. They aren't the starving peasants you seem to think they are. The South Koreans understand the threat, even if you do not. The estimates for Seoul falling is about 3 days. That's OUR military estimate. So, no. The Chinese decide to start some -blam!-, not much will stop them. If the Russians opened a second front, that could stall an invasion of CONUS, but it would likely not do anything.[/quote]China would never start -blam!-. Neither would Russia. You guys seem to like to talk in extreme hypotheticals. China doesn't care about North Korea. North Korea is completely inconsequential and unimportant. Russia and China would never go to war over North Korea. ESPECIALLY against the U.S. The ONLY damage North Korea could ever inflict would be on South Korea. And if North Korea started anything, China and Russia wouldn't intervene much if at all if the U.S. and South Korea decided to go ape -blam!- on them.

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