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Edited by moofant: 2/28/2013 7:05:05 AM
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So what is this radial thing, anyway?

[url=http://i.imgur.com/JA6uKou.png]This[/url] image has been popping up everywhere. It's been on pretty much any Destiny [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnI224HwaWM&t=0m12s]advertisement[/url], the [url=http://alphalupi.bungie.net/ArraySuccessResult.html]ARG success page[/url], and it's on the background of the page you're on right now... So what is it? When you download it directly from the ARG success page the filename is "radial.png", so I guess we can call it the radial. The first image I linked to is actually just radial.png brightened on a black background to make it more clear. The radial may just a pretty graphic associated with the Destiny universe (ie marathon symbol) but to me it seems a bit too complex to mean absolutely nothing. Here are a couple of my observations/speculations so far: -It's divided 36 times, so its divided every 10 degrees (360 degree circle). -There seems to be 7 circles surrounding the central circle. -At least on the graphic downloaded from the ARG success website, some of the lines and circles seem to skip/not be entirely finished, almost as if someone actually drew them with rulers and protractors. - There are 24 notches (I guess you can call them that?) surrounding the radial. - In any Destiny related advertisement, the Destiny tricorn symbol or the Traveler is usually seen eminating from the center of the radial. -On the graphic downloaded from the Array Success Page (first link) you can see clearly six circles lined up almost straight resembling the planet orbits found in the [url=http://alphalupi.bungie.net/images/results/signal_received_1920.jpg]signal received image[/url]. When I first saw it, it reminded me of the AdjutantReflex avatar, and those ShotCodes found in Halo Reach, but those are from another universe. It also reminded me of longitude/latitude lines on a globe. It might be a [url=http://payload.cargocollective.com/1/3/106908/2087617/Enterprise-Timeline-01.jpg]calendar[/url] of some sort. If it's a calendar, could it be indicating a time in which all of the orbits displayed on it line up (ie Aquarius planet alignment)? Maybe laying this on top of one of the maps/graphics we've received from the ARG would show us something? Come to think of it, I think it's worth going over what we found in the ARG in more detail just in general. [b]edit:[/b] I've actually warmed up to the idea of it being a shotcode of some sort we have to interpret, especially considering we had to scan QR codes to figure out the alpha lupi ARG. I just need to find an app these days that will actually scan these things. There's an app called '2d Sense' on the app store that claims to scan ShotCode but it hasn't been working for me :/. Google Goggles recognizes ShotCode, but I think all it does is compare the picture you take to the Google images database. If this is a ShotCode we have to interpret, however, there's a chance it might actually be there possibly as a part of the website this possible shotcode directs to. We already know that the signal received image (linked above) is based on theories/graphics from Ptolemy's Almagest (Earth in center and stationary with other bodies orbiting it), so maybe it's related to the [url=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/Ptolemaicsystem-small.png]Ptolemaic map of the solar system[/url]? Or maybe its just a cool graphic. I've actually been looking at it for a day or two hoping I'd figure it out, but alas I can not so I turn it over to you guys. What do you think? [b]What you think (wip):[/b] -Razgriz suggests it could have a function similar to a maritime maneuvering board: http://gcaptain.com/maritime/tools/files/moboard-5090.jpg additional info on maritime boards: http://gcaptain.com/maritime/tools/files/MoBoard.pdf -lots of people: "its a shotcode even though you think it isn't myah" I think this is a plausible idea now, refer to the above edit for more info. -lI-MeanBean-Il was kind enough to make a more clear version of the radial: http://i.imgur.com/fcuPfVu.png -Prometheus25 says (must read): [spoiler][quote]Reminds me of the crop circle interpretation of Pi in a way. If it's representing a number or characters, there needs to be some sort of start/stop reference point. I'll use a clock face to communicate my thoughts. Any start and/or stop is going to be unique. Looking at the circle, we do not see any physically unique pointers, but what catches my eye is at the 6 o'clock position. Here is the only "sector," as I will call each 10 degree wedge, that has no cross lines and no "blocks," as I will refer to the segments making up sectors. this would be a good place to start if there is indeed any information in this image. We really don't need to decide whether or not to go right or left. We just need to come up with some sort of translation algorithm for which to interpret sector length and block number and position as intelligible information. The two most likely will be a sector to number translation or a sector to letter translation. Let's look at what each sector is made up of objectively. We have three components to each sector. We have the radiating lines from the center circle. We have the arc segments that connect the radiating lines in a yet unknown pattern. We also have ticks on the outer perimeter. Let's ignore the ticks at first, assuming that the important information is going to be contained in the center of the image. I also believe we should ignore the radiating lines. I believe their only purpose is to indicate character breaks, and this is why. If we look at the first segment to the right of the six o'clock position, we see a gap in the radiating line. First instinct is to believe it contains some sort of information, like the position of numbers in a multi-digit number. This concept will cause problems, as you can see in the next adjacent sector to the right. Being in between sectors, we cannot tell if a radiating line pauses or not. Perhaps it does, and it is the radiating line from the next adjacent sector. But we cannot determine this, and the designer of such an image, if it does indeed have a purpose, would know that. Thus, I believe they are to be ignored. That means that any pertinent information is going to be contained in the arc segments in between radiating lines. We have two factors that could represent information. Position of an arc segment along a sector and number of arc segments per sector. Either, or both, could be information. Let's just take a guess and see where it lands us. I am going to start from the 6 o'clock position and work counter clockwise. Currently I am interpreting the presence of an arc as a 1 and the lack of an arc as a 0. It's not ascii, as that requires 8 bits, but perhaps if I convert to decimal, it will give me the ascii code number. BRB.[/quote][/spoiler] summary of that ^ inc

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  • Edited by TTL Goose: 2/25/2013 8:38:38 PM

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    • Reminds me of the [url=http://img.math-fail.com/images-old/cropcircle1.jpg]crop circle interpretation of Pi[/url] in a way. If it's representing a number or characters, there needs to be some sort of start/stop reference point. I'll use a clock face to communicate my thoughts. Any start and/or stop is going to be unique. Looking at the circle, we do not see any physically unique pointers, but what catches my eye is at the 6 o'clock position. Here is the only "sector," as I will call each 10 degree wedge, that has no cross lines and no "blocks," as I will refer to the segments making up sectors. this would be a good place to start if there is indeed any information in this image. We really don't need to decide whether or not to go right or left. We just need to come up with some sort of translation algorithm for which to interpret sector length and block number and position as intelligible information. The two most likely will be a sector to number translation or a sector to letter translation. Let's look at what each sector is made up of objectively. We have three components to each sector. We have the radiating lines from the center circle. We have the arc segments that connect the radiating lines in a yet unknown pattern. We also have ticks on the outer perimeter. Let's ignore the ticks at first, assuming that the important information is going to be contained in the center of the image. I also believe we should ignore the radiating lines. I believe their only purpose is to indicate character breaks, and this is why. If we look at the first segment to the right of the six o'clock position, we see a gap in the radiating line. First instinct is to believe it contains some sort of information, like the position of numbers in a multi-digit number. This concept will cause problems, as you can see in the next adjacent sector to the right. Being in between sectors, we cannot tell if a radiating line pauses or not. Perhaps it does, and it is the radiating line from the next adjacent sector. But we cannot determine this, and the designer of such an image, if it does indeed have a purpose, would know that. Thus, I believe they are to be ignored. That means that any pertinent information is going to be contained in the arc segments in between radiating lines. We have two factors that could represent information. Position of an arc segment along a sector and number of arc segments per sector. Either, or both, could be information. Let's just take a guess and see where it lands us. I am going to start from the 6 o'clock position and work counter clockwise. Currently I am interpreting the presence of an arc as a 1 and the lack of an arc as a 0. It's not ascii, as that requires 8 bits, but perhaps if I convert to decimal, it will give me the ascii code number. BRB.

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      • Like that? I believe its for navigating space.

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        • Overall it's the triangle inside the circle that matters ;)

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        • I always thought it looked like some kind of orbital route

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        • It looks to me kind of like the symbols you could see dotted around the Reach campaign, I believe those were 'shot-codes'. Perhaps this needs to be made shot-code format and searched for?

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          • I had assumed that it is an map grid marker for the city. makes sense that it is laid out in 10 degree increments. what reference points it uses, i don't know

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          • When I tried to come up with theories, all I could think about is the Cartographer from Halo. I personally think the Traveler holds some sort of deep evil, but I'm just getting that feeling from Halo. toomuchhaloinmyhead

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