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Edited by Spartan Ken 15:
1/26/2013 1:21:34 AM
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A Bill That Will Not Allow Atheists To Graduate High School
Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Not Allow Atheists To Graduate High School
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/01/25/arizona-republicans-propose-bill-that-would-not-allow-atheists-to-graduate-high-school/
Basically people are mad they in the oath they have to take, they have to swear to god. If they refuse to, they won't get their diploma.
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5 RepliesEdited by BlackHeaven: 1/26/2013 1:22:54 AMArizona is quite possibly the worst state we have.
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arzno arzno wut r u doin arzno stahp
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1 ReplySo what? Just lie, like anyone with a decent amount of common sense would. This is the real world, sometimes you have to a save words you really don't believe or think are not true to get what you want. You really think this biggest problem in the US is some people having to lie about their beliefs? When on a daily basis people lie about the money they're making, their qualifications, their status as a US citizen, their age so they can buy some booze. What makes this any different?
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3 RepliesThat's the oath of office for all federal offices; I took that oath two years ago for the Navy. To say it bars atheists from graduating it about as accurate as saying it bars atheists from working for the government. The "so help me God" line is ceremonial and figurative. However, requiring it at graduation seems pretty unnecessary. It will no doubt not be passed.
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1 Reply#theocracy?
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Edited by Winy: 1/27/2013 4:49:26 AMOaths such as this will be disbanded in time, there's no need to get your ass in a knot simply because you have to say "So help me God" if you don't believe in him. People lie about shit all the time, this can't be too difficult. Plus, it's not like you're required to be sincere about it. Just say the words and move on. Yes, it's stupid. Yes, it's technically unconstitutional, but it's also petty and insignificant. You'll live. This is coming from an atheist, by the way.
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The fact that Atheists and Christians bicker back-and-forth about stupid and irrelevant things is what bothers me the most. The fact that they're forcing people to say "So help me God." at the end of their graduating oath is preposterous and should be considered a violation of the 1st amendment. On the other hand, disallowing people from prayer in school is equally perverse in the sense that everyone has the freedom of religion and speech as well. The major issue isn't who does what, but that people are irrevocably intolerant of each others' personal beliefs.
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2 RepliesI am Christian and I don't want an athiest swearing to my God that he doesn't believe in. It lessens his significance.
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1 ReplySo? Who cares? If you're an atheist it's just like swearing to a fictional character, is it not? Anyone who gets their panties in a twist over this is a fool.
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if this was happening the other way around religious folk would have started another civil war by now.
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This is just wrong. Glad I graduated from high school last year.
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Ok, when I saw your title I thought this was ridiculous, but it is totally misleading. All you have to do is say an oath, which, at the end says "So help me God." Sorry, but that isn't nearly as bad as the title would suggest. Shouldn't saying that mean nothing to an Athiest? Does by this logic, mean Athiests can not go to court?
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Its stuff like this that makes me think there is a war on non-Christians and Atheists. The various crosses on public lands, the 10 commandments in federal courthouses, religiously dictated marriage laws... There is a war on non-Christians in the USA. If the Religious Right has its way, America would be a theistic state, with Protestant Christianity as its official religion.
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"I swear to god" Yeah, that's totally religion pushing...
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1 ReplyEdited by Ranger Trev: 1/26/2013 11:21:57 PMThis is absolutely disgusting. Stupid, ignorant Christians (In reference solely to the people that proposed this bill). It may just be saying an oath but behind it, they want to force people to believe in their god, and they can't do that. I'm tolerant of religion and it's followers when they don't try to shove it down peoples throats, but that's exactly what these guys wanna do. And to think these guys run, or at least want to run, your country. As far as I know, nothing even happened that would call for this, they were just like, "Hey, let's pick on those damn Atheists, because 'murica!". This is one reason why I don't have a great view on Christianity, or religion in general.
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This is really stupid, but if all you have to do is lie then It's really not that big of a deal. It's not like they force you to practice the religion or anything. That doesn't mean the law isn't stupid and shouldn't be passed, though.
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Ridiculous.
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Cute. Everyone, this is when you know the government has too much power and shouldn't be able to do that to you.
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Republicans, figures..
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Don't most schools do the "American Pledge of Allegiance" every day, or at least often? Likewise, graduating from a school shouldn't require an oath that seems more fitting for becoming a citizen.
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Edited by JFKES: 1/26/2013 7:39:54 PMThat's stupid. People can believe what ever they want to believe. You also shouldn't force people to lie.
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6 RepliesI am Christian and tend to side with Republicans on most topics, but this is really stupid. Also, I can see the problem in swearing to God if you're not Christian/Muslim/Jewish/Religion that worships said God, and it may be the fact that I'm not and atheist that causes me to think this way, but if you don't believe in God, I really fail to see what the problem in saying a few words to graduate would be.
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1 ReplyI swear the whole Christian vs Atheist thing is driving me up a wall. It's like two kids going "He started it!" "Nuh uh, he started it!"
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1 ReplyI would be more worried about the "I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic" part. What's that supposed to mean? Defend in what way?
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That's as bad as the teacher that got fired for giving a kid that wanted one a bible.
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Republican anti-intellectualism strikes again.
