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Edited by Lord Revan: 1/12/2013 12:23:36 AM
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Member Investment Systems

The site upgrade is awesome, yet is seemingly lacking some member investment systems. Though there will be those who will seek stardom by obtaining the most followers possible, there seems to be a genuine lack of something to work toward. The Bungie of old, as we know, had the title system in place as a means to show dedication, trust, and time on the site. Was it perfect? No, but it was something to show just how invested a member was in the community. People strive for that special something that sets them apart. While we know that the webteam has investment systems on the horizon that promise to reward legacy members, why don't we pitch some concepts? Include ideas mainly for non-game integrated systems, but it wouldn't hurt to add game-related systems as well. Don't forget group related ideas! Groups could use some awesome additions too! [b][u]Investment Systems:[/u] [/b] -[i]Title System[/i] with a selection: include time on Bungie, post count, group activity, followers, and how many you follow, and trust, maybe even -blam! counts, image/youtube/link additions (any other metrics I've forgotten -Think of Gears of Wars tier system of title unlocks with medals) as parameters for selection. Ideally, this could even be connected to in-game actions, but ultimately let us pick from available titles. The webteam could also award unique titles for a month period for special actions on site. Groups could use a system similar to this where at a given "tier" members could select from a limited selection of titles for more diversity. -[i]Badge system[/i]: Icon displays on profile page indicating actions on the main site or awarded by group leaders for actions in groups. This, along with titles, is a must have for group leaders. Separating group members into tiers was an awesome way to show their dedication and badges could simply add to the reward systems that group leaders could craft. -[i]Site Currency[/i]: Perhaps a bit too complicated, but I'd love a system of unlocking themes, avatars, and titles based on in-game actions (achievements unlocked), site actions, and mobile app activity for personalization. Could include special badges or titles for legacy members (meaning veterans of Bnet) while providing a healthy amount for newbies too. Most veterans would likely have access to everything immediately, but it could provide something uniquely captivating for new members. -[i]Gallery Additions[/i]: Both an investment concept and just a good idea - Build up a stronger gallery for members to show off their fanart. Reward the top tier submissions with titles/avatars/etc. or something more unique. EDIT: I imagine most of these additions could be contained to the profile page without making it seem overly cluttered. I imagine a clean profile with the ability to display a game screenshot/video of choosing, showcase titles earned in-game or onsite perhaps with accompanying cards (think Call of Duty Black Ops 2), and perhaps a method by which to show game stats. Badges and your title could be restricted to your profile, even those earned in groups (perhaps an ability to showcase one group would be beneficial too). Make the profile the location for a member's accolades and keep the forums clean and based on conversation. Any other ideas, especially in relation to group related investment systems?

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  • I dont know...there is something to the fact that each post has to ear its own merit indecently, without the aid of title, badge, etc. Something fun on the site is one thing, but something that alienates those of us who have been casual b.net members for many years, who have always felt comfortable coming and going over months or years at a time without worrying about title advancement, could be going too far.

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  • I like your candor, but I have to politely disagree about the unlocks and currency ideas. It reminds me too much of how in many games nowadays you have to unlock emblems and such, and that's a feature I'm not a fan of. However, I do support the gallery idea and think adding a few stats to titles could freshen things up. So I would say I agree with you about 50%.

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  • I really don't like the currency system, as I think that would promote users to go out of their forum habits to "achieve" things rather than to just let them happen naturally, more than likely adversely affecting discussion. Title investment systems should just happen naturally, over time, kind of like how the old title system worked but perhaps with more options. If it were up to me, I'd just have the old title bar colors (maybe more added) with the user being able to select their title from a list of unlocked titles, earned through doing thing's in Bungie's games. I don't have too much of a problem with unlockables as long as they don't affect forum posting habits, and I think keeping it to game related activities would help keep discussion from being a game in of itself.

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  • I like the badge and currency system you mentioned. I think that a colored text system would be perfect with this white background. It could work similar to a title system.

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  • Personally, I'd just like to see the title system implemented once more with some upgrades and tweaks to it such as the following: more titles, customizable prefix after hitting a certain title, customizable avatar after hitting a certain title, make the whole thing less random by having the webteam explain to us, in full detail, the requirements to reach each title and prefix etc. etc. :-)

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  • I want a little "BETA" emblem next to everyone who used the site during its first month of the beta, kinda how mods have the NINJA emblem

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    • I'd like to see my post count numbered in the tens of millions.

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      • As long as the '08 members have something better than the '04 members, I really don't care. But titles by popularity contest (followers) I would be opposed. This ain't high school, and we aren't picking the prom queen here.

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      • Would be cool if we unlocked titles somehow and then pick which one we want to use. Kind of like Call of Duty.

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      • That's right. Invest in ME! There's a particular pyramid I'm scheming to build. ;)

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      • I personally feel that the title system, as robust and debatable as it was before, was worth investing time into your account. Obviously this is debatable, but there are definite changes coming. Even if we were able to select from a new assortment of prefix's, I feel that "trust points" would determine your bar color. Other ways I imagined to add on, was a "nameplate system" - like Halo Reach, that would be implemented at the right side at the end of your post. Each one unlocks a certain way, and you can wear whichever you like. [b]Bar Color = [/b]Trust Points (almost similar to previous system, could have 4/5 tiers. [b]Username | Member Title = [/b](get a custom title if you meet X requirements? (Good ban history, X amount of time etc) [b]End of Bar = [/b]Custom Nameplate (Hosted X amounts of gamenights, Got news on front page etc) Just throwing ideas out there.

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      • Bungie should just send us monthly checks for spending our time here, testing their stuff, and helping new members ;)

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      • I like those ideas.

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      • Rather than an artificial system, it would be better if Bungie.net had a more solidified culture that one would gain intrinsic value from. They would be happy to be a part of the community without some sort of false incentive for investment. Already people gladly identify themselves by their own Private Groups or through the Flood.

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      • I would like to see this implemented, or the old one. Either way it's pretty fantastic.

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      • Edited by Rex2: 1/12/2013 12:52:18 AM
        Letting "legacy" members pick their own avatars is all that really is needed. The titles, while fun, are not quite necessary.

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      • Revan, the idea of unlocking Themes and avatars is a great idea. Show these ideas to DeeJ

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      • These are all great ideas, but I just want my title back. Soviet Bungie is no fun. Also, the site currency could work like the gamestop power rewards.

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      • I'm all for all of it. Some people might have taken the Elitism deal seriously, but I honestly do believe in rewarding people for dedication. I'm all for stuff doing that.

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        Member titles should stay gone IMHO. If people can't stay just for activity , then well that's their problem for being dependent upon a meaningless rank that does nothing but promote elitism.

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        • Edited by Insane Assassin: 1/11/2013 2:35:55 AM
          I had made a similar thread. I am in agreeance with you. I think threre needs to be something to work towards. A part from my thread:[quote]Bungie has always provided the community with some sort of ability to have something to work towards. Some examples include Halo 3 Recon (before it was given to everyone), Bungie favorites in Halo 3, Bungie all stars custom nameplates, custom titles on Bungie.net (e.g. Theme Master), colored title bars, titles & prefixes, as well as other things. From what I can tell these things have always fueled creativity and greatness in the community. It has always given them something to strive for and to work towards. In the new update of the site, short of achieving moderation or employee status, there does not seem to be any physical representations of excellence achievable.[/quote] If people have something to work towards, they are more likely to be a productive member of the community. There are a multitude of things that could be used to encourage member investment. Like you said, currently there is not much. There are your number of friends, number of members in your group, and being a ninja. I feel that even something as simple as a number indicating the cumulative amont of likes you have received on your posts could be a step in the right direction. Obviously this is not the only possibility. In fact, I think the ability to track any sort of metric would be beneficial. Some would lead to a "gaming" of the system, while others would not. The idea of badges is also a good one. I don't think there is a necessity for anything as flashy as titles though. Also, in my thread it was stated: DeeJ:[quote] It’s all about you, isn’t it? Please remember that this is a test. The public beta for Bungie.net is a chance for us to work out the kinks and collect some feedback on how we can make things better. That means we’re not finished rolling out all the bells and whistles. In time, we'll be celebrating and decorating the long-standing members of our community. Your legacy will be honored. For now, you are anonymous crash test dummies; so rev those engines and aim for the wall.[/quote]

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          • Great ideas! Now, with the old website, "titles" in groups were tied to security privileges. How much did that really matter to groups vs. simply having the title itself? I'm just curious: anyone who ran a group on the old BNet, feel free to toss your input this way!

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            • I think the currency thing will be implemented. I remember seeing in the TOU was something about Bungie Bucks or something.

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            • While I do like the idea of everyone staying as equals, I do think that SOME rewards for posting/membership length are okay. Notice that I said some. I've seen some other websites which are just lousy with awards/titles/badges, and it looks horribly cluttered.

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