[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Captain Nimda Doesn't mean Halo 4 is awful.[/quote] But does mean that Halo 4 had disappointing sales numbers. People avoided it ... why - the memory of reach. And yet, even though getting way less initial sales H4 is still pulling more players than reach ... both "[i]at this point in time[/i]" and if you compare the same points in time from initial release. No getting past it - bungie messed up. Halo was the name to beat, but that died with Halo 3. Even bungies aerospace project failed ... why would cash hungry indie devs not go with a known name, unless that known name had a definite stink about it.