[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Spartan1995324 But the freedom... "Give me liberty or give me death"! Seriously though...[/quote] Freedom fighters and terrorists are different. Freedom fighters fight for a cause and stay true to it. The people rally to them because the government response is brutal. Terrorists (while freedom fighters are sometimes called that) kill civilians, use tactics of terror and really in the end don't care. These guys were murdering civilians left and right, what government would consider giving the bastards the terms they want? There is nothing to prove they won't continue the murders. Oh, and freedom fighters don't punish people for being in the other group. They don't drag civilians into the conflict. [quote]Incident 1: They need to send a message to the CMA. The CMA was the military branch of the CAA, which was taxing them heavily. The CAA wasn't listening to them. The UNSC themselves had to strip them of power because they didn't want to let go (during the Human-Covenant war).[/quote] So they murdered a large number of civilians, with only TWO CMA causalities. Seems like a fair trade for terrorists, not freedom fighters. [quote]Incident 2: Uncalled for good sir (the attack that is). Every organization does thing they shouldn't. All of them. However peaceful talks simply weren't getting anywhere. They got frustrated. I'd a like a source though, interesting stuff. There has to be a reason, like there was for incidents 1 and 3.[/quote] http://www.halopedia.org/National_Holiday You don't get to handwave frequent murders of civilians as "Oh they go frustrated so mass murder is excusable." compare to the -blam!- UNSC who has very few civilian murders on their plate. [quote]Incident 3: What did Cole do next? The Innies were probably going to let him live. They let UNSC military personnel live on the rubble, so why not let him live as well? Anyways, Cole just blasted the missles straight into their ship, abusing their willingness to have kept him alive rather than blasting the ship to pieces.[/quote] Given what they -blam!- did to the crew of the Callisto and the AI, I -blam!- doubt they would have let Cole and crew -blam!- live. At least not free. Recall that ALSO the UNSC were very -blam!- torn about outright giving a court-martial to Cole cause of that action as well. [quote]Incident 4: There has to be a reason. In a war somebody has to gain SOMETHING out of that. They wouldn't have wasted a nuclear weapon on that. I'd a like a source. However if they did it for no reason at all... then my response is the same as incident 2.[/quote] http://www.halopedia.org/Haven_arcology No reason at all. They just went "Hey, let's set off a -blam!- nuke causing countless civilian deaths and injuries." YOU DO NOT -blam!- HANDWAVE THAT -blam!-. [quote]Far Isle: The nuking didn't need to happen. Never did. Nukes to quell riots is overkill. No pun intended. They could have ended up like Venezia. Problem is... if the UNSC willingly had admmitted defeat, it would have boosted Insurrectionist morale. Not good for their empire, eh?[/quote] Failure to understand. There sometimes are arguments where the ONLY way to get the two sides to calm down is excessive force (Gun fired in the air, separating the two and having to literally fight them back) Not only is there -blam!- JACK -blam!- information on it, the implications are the situation went from bad to "Critical worse" quick, and there was not calming down. Either way, it's the ONLY -blam!- murder of civilians on the UNSC plate. vs the countless rebel caused civilian deaths. [quote]The Massarce: Conceeded good sir. There wasn't much they could have done...but the Rebels DID lend a hand. You got to give them that. Whitcomb however... [quote][url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Massacre_at_Eridanus_Secundus]Whitcomb, feeling his duty was to Earth, not the rebels, ordered an immediate retreat to slipspace, leaving the helpless rebels to their doom.[/url][/quote]Doesn't seem too sorry to me. I would say he did smart/logical thing, so point conceeded. I wouldn't say he felt bad though. Soldiers who are willing to fight for their country do it becasue they feel it's their duty. They don't feel too bad about letting the enemy die.[/quote] As I recall (I have a friend looking up the scene when she gets her hands on her copy of the book), Whitcomb was saddened. Not to the point of tears (Who would be, the governor explicitly is stated to be arrogant and going "GIVE US OUR DEMANDS FIRST UNSC DESPITE HUMANITY BEING ON THE BRINK OF DEATH!"), but still sad that they had to sacrifice and couldn't save them. [quote]Inusrrectionists have proved that they can lead stable governments, like Venezia and the Rubble. In fact, history shows that a bunch of rebels formed some of the most powerful/influential nations on earth... About the Visegard incident...they helped evacuate Madrigal, and then formed the Rubble. So they did some good, AND get along far better with our former enemies. So reality they are establishing better diplomatic relations then the UNSC is. Look at Venezia.[/quote] Rubble: Existed with the Jackals because TRUTH -blam!- ordered the Jackals to work with the humans to get a copy of a human nav data, so they could wipe out everybody. It was not a peaceful situation. It was a facade. Venezia: We know little of it's leadership right now (as I recall), and oh yeah. THEY -blam!- REFUSED TO HELP A UNSC SHIP. A UNSC ship was in orbit, in dire situation, and the planet refused to let them -blam!- evac people to the surface until help came. The ship blew up, ALL HANDS LOST. When the response UNSC ship arrived THE BASTARDS FIRED ON THE SHIP. The rebels went "Nope, don't evac people that are going to die if they aren't away from the ship. Oh look, another unsc ship. FIRE!" Points to why the -blam!- the rebels make bad leaders. When given a chance to help out the UNSC, and possible IMPROVE relations (to the point of getting talks to be recognized as independent planet...) they let the UNSC people die for no reason. Ties to area directly below. If the UNSC are the bastards too scared to let go, then why did Venezia let an entire UNSC crew die that needed help? They were given a chance to do something good, and they did nothing. (The worst is they could have fired on the ship I'll give you that). [quote]Anways the UNSC as I said is too scared to let go. Where does fear lead? Let a wise little green alien answer that: "Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." - Yoda, The Phantom Menance. And that is exactly what the UNSC is doing because they are too scared to let go. [i]Suffering[/i]. I answered your points. Extend the courtesy to answer mine? They are in another post.[/quote] Rebels feared the UNSC.(For unknown reasons) Rebels started getting angry. (For above unknown reasons, wanting more self-rule) Rebels started hating the UNSC. (to the point of fighting) Rebels starting mass murdering civilians, leading to suffering.