[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Tibetz The consent argument is perfectly valid. There is no age of consent for murder of a human being. They are entirely unrelated issues. Killing a dairy cow according to regulations is, in theory, a painless exercise. Raping one, generally, is not.[/quote]Who said they were releated issues? I never likened the age of consent in humans in any of my posts. You also failed to show why we should all of a sudden add in the notion of consent in animal relations, when we don't find it relevant anywhere else. Killing a dairy cow(and the conditions they live in[or any other animal for that matter]) is not painless, no matter how much the meat industry lobbies for that. I think its a certain necessary evil, but I admit that we don't value animals views of consent in that issue. If we were to value consent then we should stop killing animals, because I can't find any argument for why its okay to kill an animal, but its so much more wrong to have sex with one. And you also fail to grapple with the fact that sometimes the animal wants sex. That is quite clearly not a case of -blam!-. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spagheeett [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xvise66 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] spagheeett its more then icky..having sex with someone of the same sex shows your -blam!-ity is just plain psychotic. normal sex happens when you're a women in the "what turns me on" area in your head, ghey sex happens when you're just -blam!- up. In no way should we ever find the same sex attractive. So all you gheys who actually like the same sex stop kidding yourself and seek help.[/quote] As I've just shown, everything you have said could be, and has been said in criticism of -blam!--blam!-ity. You provided nothing other then "I think this is icky for nothing other then arbitrary reasons"[/quote] no..not at all..-blam!--blam!-ity is an abnormality that can happen, animal sex is a sign of a deranged and sick mind, you mixing around the edges in my words doesnt change anything,despite if people are messed enough to think thats the same. if you like animals you're more then an abnormality you have strayed from the human thought process and thats why its looked down on.[/quote]Once again, everything you said could be, and has been said in criticism of homo-blam!-ity. When you can form a rational argument that uses evidence like everyone else in the thread then you can come back to the discussion. [Edited on 11.19.2012 9:54 PM PST]