[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Marinade [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Owned Maybe [/quote] Except for, you know, that whole thing where "most players and administrators continue to insist that fighting stay as a permanent element of organized ice hockey" [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_in_ice_hockey#Efforts_to_ban_fighting]see here[/url]. That there is recognized etiquette to fights in hockey is another example that, at the NHL level, it is considered part of the game. I never said that fighting is what makes hockey manly. I'm merely pointing out that, for the NHL, most players, administrators, coaches, staff and commissioners recognize that it is part of the game. To be honest, what makes Hockey manly, as far as I'm concerned is the speed, hits, grit and toughness the players exhibit. You can't be a wuss and play Hockey. You'll just get really badly hurt.[/quote] You can show me all the articles you want. Until they remove the penalty for fighting, it's not a part of the game. Also, why are you being an instigator when the whole point of my first post was that fighting shouldn't be a reason as to why you think hockey is "more manly" (whatever the hell that means) than another sport. Who cares if it is or isn't? I'm glad we agree that it isn't a factor in the "manliest" of the sport (seriously though, wtf constituents "manliness"? What a stupid concept). In all seriousness, I could easily say you're MORE of a man for NOT fighting. Would I be right? Who knows? It's all relative. Which is why any arguments about what makes something more manly than something else stupid, trivial, and ultimately a waste of time.