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1/8/2013 6:40:17 PM
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Is a big brother kind of system slowly coming upon us?
Lets face it, government is slowly taking control of areas of our life, and now have the ability to monitor everything we do but our thoughts. They got:
>Satellite
-Can take pictures of you without you knowing. A single satellite could pass over you multiple times in one day.
>Cell phone tracking
-every once in a while your phone lets out a signal that goes to multiple cell phone towers. With these, it is possible to locate your exact location. Even without this, most phones now have tracking features.
>Surveillance cameras
-Becoming increasingly common in public places, surveillance cameras are literally used to observe the masses.
>Internet tracking
-With a touch of a button, agencies around the world could find out who you are, when you access your computer and what you do while on it. Google chrome only makes it easier.
And much more. Is a Big Brother Agency going to rise and take advantage of these things, as I for one feel that the time is coming.
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This is an awful thread full of awful people, I'm leaving.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] nkTJH [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mastergee [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] nkTJH [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mastergee Idiot detected.[/quote] Troll detected.[/quote] Predictable response detected.[/quote] More hypocrisy detected. [/quote] Guys calm down. He probably just watches Alex Jones or something. He'll research stuff on his own eventually.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mastergee [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] nkTJH [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mastergee Idiot detected.[/quote] Troll detected.[/quote] Predictable response detected.[/quote] More hypocrisy detected.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RighteousTyrant [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie No. Why? The focus problem. There are how many FBI, CIA, NSA, Secret Service etc... agents vs how many Americans? How do they focus on me as a person? As much as I would like to believe we have the power to sift through millions of people to find the ones we don't like, we can't. If we could we would have found and arrested 20 or so Saudi nationals who were in our country with out jobs, taking flying lessons who weren't concerned with landing the plane. Several of whom were on a terrorist watch list. Nope, the powers that be struggle with the actual threats, so I am not concerned with them getting over to the imagined ones.[/quote]They don't have to, that's what they have massive data centers and supercomputers for. Gather all the info, lets computers do the heavy analysis, and use human intelligence to follow up on the leads from that. [/quote] You see, you still need to have some profile to trigger a lead. I don't care if they have that data. Its just 0's and 1's until someone makes heads or tails about it. Frankly the government doesn't have the people to police its citizens. This is sad, but Target has a better data tracking system than the US government.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RighteousTyrant [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie No. Why? The focus problem. There are how many FBI, CIA, NSA, Secret Service etc... agents vs how many Americans? How do they focus on me as a person? As much as I would like to believe we have the power to sift through millions of people to find the ones we don't like, we can't. If we could we would have found and arrested 20 or so Saudi nationals who were in our country with out jobs, taking flying lessons who weren't concerned with landing the plane. Several of whom were on a terrorist watch list. Nope, the powers that be struggle with the actual threats, so I am not concerned with them getting over to the imagined ones.[/quote]They don't have to, that's what they have massive data centers and supercomputers for. Gather all the info, lets computers do the heavy analysis, and use human intelligence to follow up on the leads from that. [/quote] Which is kind of his point. The general public has really no concern that anything they say or do is coming under scrutiny by anything other than a system which collects it as data. It's too hands off to be considered "big brother".
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mastergee [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xvise66 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mastergee [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Silentone2 Your problem is believing that there's anything worth spying on. The vast majority of people are worthless.[/quote] You couldn't be more wrong.[/quote]Tinfoil hat detected. [/quote] Ignorant American detected.[/quote] ^^^^^
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Maybe, maybe not.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] nkTJH [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mastergee Idiot detected.[/quote] Troll detected.[/quote] Predictable response detected.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MyNameIsCharlie No. Why? The focus problem. There are how many FBI, CIA, NSA, Secret Service etc... agents vs how many Americans? How do they focus on me as a person? As much as I would like to believe we have the power to sift through millions of people to find the ones we don't like, we can't. If we could we would have found and arrested 20 or so Saudi nationals who were in our country with out jobs, taking flying lessons who weren't concerned with landing the plane. Several of whom were on a terrorist watch list. Nope, the powers that be struggle with the actual threats, so I am not concerned with them getting over to the imagined ones.[/quote]They don't have to, that's what they have massive data centers and supercomputers for. Gather all the info, lets computers do the heavy analysis, and use human intelligence to follow up on the leads from that.
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I'm not worried if people spy on me... Maybe they'll find something cool.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mastergee Idiot detected.[/quote] Troll detected.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Quality Thread Most people shouldn't have a reason to care about spying unless they are doing something illegal, the problem is what things are illegal. For the most part the country has been getting a lot more lenient in that regard. I don't see our government as being capable of successfully passing the laws required to institute a big brother type program, infighting and outer resistance see to that. [/quote] Frankly I don't like people knowing what I'm doing most of the time... And there honestly is not much stopping governments from passing these laws, as loopholes in our rights are in fact present in order to restrict rights.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] rennagang >Satellite -Can take pictures of you without you knowing. A single satellite could pass over you multiple times in one day.[/quote] You're in public. You have no expectation of privacy in public.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] nkTJH [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mastergee [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xvise66 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mastergee [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Silentone2 Your problem is believing that there's anything worth spying on. The vast majority of people are worthless.[/quote] You couldn't be more wrong.[/quote]Tinfoil hat detected. [/quote] Ignorant American detected.[/quote] Hypocrisy detected.[/quote] Idiot detected.
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No. Why? The focus problem. There are how many FBI, CIA, NSA, Secret Service etc... agents vs how many Americans? How do they focus on me as a person? As much as I would like to believe we have the power to sift through millions of people to find the ones we don't like, we can't. If we could we would have found and arrested 20 or so Saudi nationals who were in our country with out jobs, taking flying lessons who weren't concerned with landing the plane. Several of whom were on a terrorist watch list. Nope, the powers that be struggle with the actual threats, so I am not concerned with them getting over to the imagined ones.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mastergee [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xvise66 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mastergee [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Silentone2 Your problem is believing that there's anything worth spying on. The vast majority of people are worthless.[/quote] You couldn't be more wrong.[/quote]Tinfoil hat detected. [/quote] Ignorant American detected.[/quote] Hypocrisy detected.
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The only way any government can really succeed in dominating people's lives is if they are complicit. Government needs consent to sustain itself, not matter the system. As long as people take an active role in evaluating their rights and the government's responsibility to protect those rights whilst maintaining the ability to be reasonably in the know with what people are planning to do, nothing can go wrong. Unfortunately, people either twist the arguments, don't care, or are not helpful in their enthusiasm, and only seek to ridicule and belittle people with differing opinions.
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Most people shouldn't have a reason to care about spying unless they are doing something illegal, the problem is what things are illegal. For the most part the country has been getting a lot more lenient in that regard. I don't see our government as being capable of successfully passing the laws required to institute a big brother type program, infighting and outer resistance see to that.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xvise66 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mastergee [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Silentone2 Your problem is believing that there's anything worth spying on. The vast majority of people are worthless.[/quote] You couldn't be more wrong.[/quote]Tinfoil hat detected. [/quote] Ignorant American detected.
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I'm not too concerned about some faceless person listening to snippets of my conversations/seeing me on a cam feed for the sake of security. Unless their using it in a personal capacity, or altering my info, I don't see a problem. The "big brother" scenario that people are so fearful of happening won't become a problem unless people lay down and allow it to happen. [Edited on 01.08.2013 10:46 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mastergee [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Silentone2 Your problem is believing that there's anything worth spying on. The vast majority of people are worthless.[/quote] You couldn't be more wrong.[/quote]Tinfoil hat detected.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Silentone2 Your problem is believing that there's anything worth spying on. The vast majority of people are worthless.[/quote] I wouldn't say worthless. Selling data - whether that be where you go online, what you purchase when you go to the grocery store, whatever - is a multi-billion dollar business.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Silentone2 Your problem is believing that there's anything worth spying on. The vast majority of people are worthless.[/quote] You couldn't be more wrong.
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It happened a lot sooner than this OP.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Silentone2 Your problem is believing that there's anything worth spying on. The vast majority of people are worthless.[/quote] Feels good to be worthless ahhh.
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I couldn't care less if it was. Not like I'm hiding anything. ...Well, besides all those dead bodies in my basement.
