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DeBleserMike

DeBleserMike

12/7/2012 9:22:09 PM
Come on, how long will she live? How old is she already? 96? So she arrested Halsey for saving humanity while she violates the laws of the UNSC military by more than stretching her service time?! Isn't this a bit ridiculous?
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    GuN

    GuN

    12/25/2012 5:20:58 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa [/quote] The point you bring up of Parangosky not flinching when Ackerson brings up the Spartan II clones in Ghosts of Onyx can be explained. Doesn't Ackerson approach Parangosky in 2530(ish), that's almost 15 years after the Spartan IIs were kidnapped from their homes. That's a lot of time for Parangosky , and even Ackerson, to figure out that Halsey tricked her and made clones( but she probably could do nothing at this point, seeing as the Spartan IIs were one of the UNSC's prime assets and Halsey had a lot of potential to use the UNSC's funds to make scientific advancements that would halt the Covenant). Also, if Halsey's the head of the SII training, I don't think it would be awfully difficult for her to tell her subordinates (the ONI personnel involved in the program kidnapping the children) to keep quiet. After all, it's not like Parangosky kept a 24/7 watch on Halsey during the SII project. [Edited on 12.24.2012 9:21 PM PST]
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    Atomic Tea

    Atomic Tea

    12/20/2012 8:11:41 PM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DonVinzone1 Let her become this trilogy's Truth. A deceptive leader of mankind with a hidden agenda. Can't wait for Chief to kill her.[/quote] It'll likely be Chief vs. Sarin Osman, a fellow Spartan (kind of). Assuming Osman has stepped into Parangosky's boots by Halo 4.
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    anton1792

    anton1792

    12/19/2012 4:04:19 PM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh Because conventional warships always worked so well before. He who fails and tries the same thing a second time is a fool. The UNSC are no fools, they needed an ace in the hole, a weapon of mass destruction on the level of the Atomic Bomb in WWII. Infinity was to be a mobile command center for humanity if earth fell. Are you expecting the UEG to keep all their eggs in one basket? To keep trying the same old sorry tactic of throwing more ships at the Covenant onslaught? It isn't a simple matter of building more ships, this is no RTS. Every outcome the UNSC predicted was the death of humanity in conventional warfare. More conventional ships would only slow down the inevitable. Infinity needed to be built. It is the Spartan program of the stars, which is much more effective since it can swat ships like flies.[/quote] The second biggest issue with the Spartan programs was that there was never enough of them at any one time. (The first that they cannot stop glassings) The Infinity would have the same problem. The Infinity is one ship, therefore it can only be in the one place at any given time. If the Covenant attack two colonies, you'll lose one. If they attack each with two enormous fleets numbering 200+ ships, you'll lose both colonies and the Infinity for taking on that many ships. Late on in the war, the UNSC didn't have that many vessels left either, so committing hundreds of vessels along with the Infinity wouldn't be an option like it was in Cole's Day. The Infinity would have been another dead end. Just like the SMACs at Reach, it would have dealt a lot of damage, but ultimately it would be destroyed if it tried to stay and protect a colony against that many ships. People at ONI should have known that. I don't think there was anything Humanity could have done at that point. Everything would have lead to failure. The Great Schism is what saved Humanity.
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    DonVinzone1

    DonVinzone1

    12/19/2012 9:05:50 AM Permalink
    Let her become this trilogy's Truth. A deceptive leader of mankind with a hidden agenda. Can't wait for Chief to kill her.
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    OrderedComa

    OrderedComa

    12/19/2012 6:02:05 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh If you had an ounce of reading comprehension you would have seen I said that she was arrested "not for the Spartans themselves." Parangosky arrested Halsey because of the cloning program, which was unauthorized. "I spend every day ending people's lives and manipulating them, doing things most in uniform would consider unconscionable. [u]I'm not going to pretend there's some higher morality at work here,[/u] but I'm prepared to do the dirty work to spare the consciences of others, and my barbarous acts mean fewer people die than would have done if I'd play by the rules. I think that's as near as I can come to tolerating my reflection in the mirror." Halsey: "So why am I so much worse than you?" Parangosky: [u]"Oh I'm not sure you are. I'm a different kind of guilty.[/u] But you [i]lied[/i] to me, Catherine." Halsey: "About what, in particular?" Parangosky: "Cloning." Halsey: "You knew about that." Parangosky: [u]"Not until years later.[/u] Parangosky makes it quite clear that she arrested Halsey on legal grounds, "massaging the budget" to make the clones. Then there is the problem with Halsey kidnapping Kelly and hiding away on Onyx from the UNSC, desserting, basically, from the UNSC and stealing a valuable asset. The only reason Parangosky brings up [i]why[/i] she made the clones was to prove to Halsey that she very much does deserve what she's getting, that she acted out of selfish reasons (because the parents had to watch their child die an agonizingly slow painful death from a mysterious molecular disease exclusive to clones, risking exposure of the program, which is what happened in the end. Alternatively, if Halsey didn't know they were going to die, why not just use the clones?). Obviously they dislike each other, and Parangosky is relishing in tormenting Halsey, but she only did it to begin with on legal grounds. As Halsey says to herself: "She could have said that years ago." But Parangosky kept Halsey on board in her position because that is when she was most valuable; she was smart, and put her personal hatred aside for the greater good. This is quite the self control for a character who in Ghosts of Onyx was established as so vengeful "to his knowledge, only one person had crossed her and lived." That one person happened to be Halsey. However, as of Glasslands "we're not dependant on your skills now, so I don't have to stomach your sense of entitlement one second longer." There is no statute of limitations for fudging the budget on an unauthorized project under the nose of ONI, AND kidnapping a Spartan and desserting the UNSC. Parangosky then arrests her. I am baffled about what people don't get about this. I feel like I read a totally different book half the time.[/quote] Yes it was. Everything was already planned out by ONI beforehand, kidnapping kids and replacing them with flash-clones was ONI's own plan and would have occurred with, or without, Halsey and her input. Contrary to what 343idiocy and Travissty try to imply, ONI is actually smart and know how to cover their tracks and what would be needed to do so. And don't even bother throwing Traviss' Halsey demonizing, bull-blam!- excuse for a plot at me. The idea that Parangosky, or [i][b][u]anyone[/u][/b][/i] high up within the chain of command didn't know the details of the Spartan Program as they were occurring is patently ludicrous in the extreme. Also, as Daefaron already pointed out, Ackerson made mention of the flash-clones in Ghosts of Onyx without Parangosky even raising so much as an eyebrow at it. And what's more, if even Colonel Ackerson knows about the true, intimate details of the Spartan Program, then the entire premise is flawed. Even [i]if[/i] the flash-clones were some unauthorized secret that Parangosky found out about later, it's not something that would be common knowledge the likes of Colonel James Ackerson would have access to or people would be bandying about as if it was nothing. I already said, the flashclones were ONI's plan. And even if it wasn't, how is it at all selfish at all? Taking the kids is what could be called selfish, giving the parents closure and tying up loose ends so that suspicion never has the possibility of falling on ONI or potentially leading back to them save for someone opening their mouth and blabbing about it. [i]Someone[/i] would have caught on to the common threads if the kids were just kidnapped. There is nothing investigation worthy with a kid dying of unfortunate natural causes....75 kids just up and disappearing [i]is[/i] something noticeable, especially kids as brilliant as the Spartan IIs and with as much potential as they showed. There was nothing unnatural about the way the flash-clones died in the least, they all died of natural causes that were the results of flash-cloning a whole human body being imperfect and flawed. The clones weren't something engineered to die, they died because flash-cloning, which is what would be needed to sell the deception and have none of the parents or legal guardians any wiser, just simply did not work on a whole human body, and ONI could not afford to and did not want to wait, they needed work to start then and there. The quite idiotic handling with Naomi's parents is ONI's own ineptitude and idiocy in handling the matter and has nothing at all to do with the cloning in and of itself. Parangosky left Halsey alone because she had no choice. She can't just get rid of whoever she likes without reason or whenever the mood strikes her. ONI's power, no matter how extensive it might be, has clear and defined limits. If she could have gotten away with offing Halsey or removing her from the picture, Maggot Parangosky would have done it in a heart-beat, she did not have the power or ability to do so though, and so, she was forced to leave Halsey alone. It wasn't about usefulness at all, as the dear Fuhrer of Evil Inc. still has Halsey working on things. It was always about not having someone firmly under her wrinkled, twisted, taloned claw of a thumb. The Fall of Reach is what has given Maggot Parangosky an opportunity to show even more proof of why she is completely unfit for command and one of the most self-serving, tyrannical despots in Halo. Everything is always about Parangosky and what [i]she[/i] thinks should be done and no one and nothing else matters but her own will. There are no legal grounds whatsoever for Parangosky to arrest Halsey, and no matter how much anyone tries to dress it up as an arrest, it clearly was not, nothing will change it from what it really is, an illegal kidnapping and forced slave labor. There was no trial, or sentencing by a judge and jury, nothing except Parangosky yet again declaring herself to be above the law and a law unto herself and deciding she's allowed to do whatever she wants. Obviously no one cared that Halsey went to Onyx with Kelly, or otherwise Hood would have ordered an arrest on her to Blue Team when they were given their orders to head there, or to the Prowler that was stationed above Onyx during the battle. And no one except Halsey knew about her plans to try and save the Spartans from the war except Halsey herself and Kurt...who is now dead. As it stands, there are no legal grounds to arrest anyone, the only one that would be known about by anyone was dismissed and treated as a non-issue by the highest up in the chain of command. Not to mention ONI doesn't even have the power or authority to arrest anyone, they are not law enforcement, unless specifically put onto such a case they don't have the power to make an arrest on someone, the most they're legally allowed to do is detain someone until an investigation can be made and/or a trial held. They most certainly do not have the power or authority to act as judge, jury, and executioner.
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    Cmdr DaeFaron

    Cmdr DaeFaron

    12/10/2012 6:32:47 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DeBleserMike Come on, how long will she live? How old is she already? 96? So she arrested Halsey for saving humanity while she violates the laws of the UNSC military by more than stretching her service time?! Isn't this a bit ridiculous?[/quote] Not to mention holding a Spartan for questioning while Earth was attacked. And aiding the enemy of humanity by giving weapons to anti-human groups of Elites. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh She arrested Halsey for squandering ONI funds towards an unauthrozed project, not for the Spartans themselves. And the UNSC asked her to stay on because she's very effective. But by Halo 4's time, she's probably dead by now.[/quote] In a briefing about the s3's, ackerson brought up the cloning. Parangosky was not shocked, surprised, or otherwise affected by the news. She always new about the flash-clones. Hell, LOOK at the scanned trailer. It shows what the book said, flash clones replaced the children at the kidnapping. How the -blam!- would she have not known about it until years later? Edit: seriously, ONI -blam!- (in glasslands) messed up handling the parents. They COULD HAVE used their BRAINS and twisted the situation to prevent Naomi's dad from going crazy and her mom from suiciding. They did nothing. Oh, and basically you and Parangosky agree it's FAR, FAR better that the parents sit there wondering what happened to their disappeared child and NEVER, EVER knowing the kid's fate them to see the child die, grieve, then move on? Halsey has moral high ground there. Unlike Parangosky's dumb ass, she knew the Spartan 2's could NEVER return to their families. edit2: And even if Parangosky totes the "I know I'm not morally better." She and kilo-5 sure damn act as if they have the moral high ground. edit3: Ah, but I should know better. You've basically admitted to licking 343's boots when you talked about how we should ignore everything bungie has done visually because it's 'irrelevant' since 343 took over. You literally don't give a damn about any of the lore before 343 started adding to it. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TedToaster22 I'm saying it shouldn't have been done (the events of Halo 4 have proved it was well worth it), but it's incredibly hypocritical for Paragonsky to accuse Halsey of "directing valuable war assets away from Earth."[/quote] ^ see the above where ONI held Fred for questioning while Earth was under attack and it wasn't until Lord Hood went in that it was ended. Earth burns, and they question Fred instead of letting him fight. [Edited on 12.09.2012 10:40 PM PST]
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    ROBERTO jh

    ROBERTO jh

    12/10/2012 4:30:07 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa Not soon enough I'm afraid >_> Next thing you know 343i will be having Parangosky declare the UNSC the first Galactic Empire with herself as Empress and then go about showing herself for the petty and spiteful tyrant that she is....she would get along quite well with Emperor Palpatine and the Sith -___- [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh She arrested Halsey for squandering ONI funds towards an unauthrozed project, not for the Spartans themselves. And the UNSC asked her to stay on because she's very effective. But by Halo 4's time, she's probably dead by now.[/quote] *headdesk* *facepalm* *faceFlood* Unauthorized? Where the -blam!- hell are you getting that pile of bull-blam!-? ONI are the ones who came up with the Spartan Program and they would have started it with or without Halsey. [i]They[/i] approached her. Halsey had nothing to do with creating the Spartan II Program, that was all ONI and their doing, they wanted Halsey to head up their project because of her expertise/knowledge in genetics. What Parangosky did is illegally kidnap someone just because she didn't like them, it was not arresting or anything legal in the least, just Maggot Parangosky overstepping her bounds as per usual and deciding she's completely above the law and can act however she wants because she's the only one who knows what's best. [/quote] If you had an ounce of reading comprehension you would have seen I said that she was arrested "not for the Spartans themselves." Parangosky arrested Halsey because of the cloning program, which was unauthorized. "I spend every day ending people's lives and manipulating them, doing things most in uniform would consider unconscionable. [u]I'm not going to pretend there's some higher morality at work here,[/u] but I'm prepared to do the dirty work to spare the consciences of others, and my barbarous acts mean fewer people die than would have done if I'd play by the rules. I think that's as near as I can come to tolerating my reflection in the mirror." Halsey: "So why am I so much worse than you?" Parangosky: [u]"Oh I'm not sure you are. I'm a different kind of guilty.[/u] But you [i]lied[/i] to me, Catherine." Halsey: "About what, in particular?" Parangosky: "Cloning." Halsey: "You knew about that." Parangosky: [u]"Not until years later.[/u] Parangosky makes it quite clear that she arrested Halsey on legal grounds, "massaging the budget" to make the clones. Then there is the problem with Halsey kidnapping Kelly and hiding away on Onyx from the UNSC, desserting, basically, from the UNSC and stealing a valuable asset. The only reason Parangosky brings up [i]why[/i] she made the clones was to prove to Halsey that she very much does deserve what she's getting, that she acted out of selfish reasons (because the parents had to watch their child die an agonizingly slow painful death from a mysterious molecular disease exclusive to clones, risking exposure of the program, which is what happened in the end. Alternatively, if Halsey didn't know they were going to die, why not just use the clones?). Obviously they dislike each other, and Parangosky is relishing in tormenting Halsey, but she only did it to begin with on legal grounds. As Halsey says to herself: "She could have said that years ago." But Parangosky kept Halsey on board in her position because that is when she was most valuable; she was smart, and put her personal hatred aside for the greater good. This is quite the self control for a character who in Ghosts of Onyx was established as so vengeful "to his knowledge, only one person had crossed her and lived." That one person happened to be Halsey. However, as of Glasslands "we're not dependant on your skills now, so I don't have to stomach your sense of entitlement one second longer." There is no statute of limitations for fudging the budget on an unauthorized project under the nose of ONI, AND kidnapping a Spartan and desserting the UNSC. Parangosky then arrests her. I am baffled about what people don't get about this. I feel like I read a totally different book half the time. [Edited on 12.09.2012 8:36 PM PST]
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    ROBERTO jh

    ROBERTO jh

    12/10/2012 3:55:47 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TedToaster22 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Atomic Tea [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh She arrested Halsey for squandering ONI funds towards an unauthrozed project, not for the Spartans themselves. And the UNSC asked her to stay on because she's very effective. But by Halo 4's time, she's probably dead by now.[/quote] Didn't she also tack on the charge of directing valuable war assets away from Earth during a time in which Earth's location was compromised? Big no-no.[/quote] Wouldn't [i]Infinty[/i] fall into that category? [/quote] How exactly?[/quote] The fact that massive amounts of funding went into a ship that wasn't even ready by the end of the war, and contributed nothing to the defense of Earth against the enemy that was slowly exterminating humanity. That money could have funded countless projects, such as more conventional ships, that would have proved more useful to the war effort, rather than being a pile of credits sitiing in an Oort cloud. I'm saying it shouldn't have been done (the events of Halo 4 have proved it was well worth it), but it's incredibly hypocritical for Paragonsky to accuse Halsey of "directing valuable war assets away from Earth."[/quote] Because conventional warships always worked so well before. He who fails and tries the same thing a second time is a fool. The UNSC are no fools, they needed an ace in the hole, a weapon of mass destruction on the level of the Atomic Bomb in WWII. Infinity was to be a mobile command center for humanity if earth fell. Are you expecting the UEG to keep all their eggs in one basket? To keep trying the same old sorry tactic of throwing more ships at the Covenant onslaught? It isn't a simple matter of building more ships, this is no RTS. Every outcome the UNSC predicted was the death of humanity in conventional warfare. More conventional ships would only slow down the inevitable. Infinity needed to be built. It is the Spartan program of the stars, which is much more effective since it can swat ships like flies. [Edited on 12.09.2012 7:56 PM PST]
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    OrderedComa

    OrderedComa

    12/10/2012 3:23:01 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] StealthSlasher2 Irked [i]afterwards[/i] And as far as Hood was concerned at the time they were legitimate reasons. The charges were stuck on afterwards, and even someone like Hood wouldn't be able to ignore the fact that Halsey tricked him into sending Spartans away so that she could hide them away from the war. We're already seeing some of that manifest in Spartan Ops with Lasky becoming suspicious of Halsey's actions. Finding out that Onyx's interior was a cash cow was lucky for the UNSC but doesn't change the fact that Halsey went there with the intention to hide with her Spartans, not find an ace for the UNSC. Seeing how Parangosky is characterized as having some sort of idea as to how Halsey works to rationalize things as well for a perchance for connecting the dots to see gaps in reasoning, it's not hard to believe that she would call bs on any excuse Halsey brought up during her interrogation as to why she headed there and eventually zero in on that fact of the matter. When someone with just [i]enough power[/i] has the ability to prosecute something, and that thing happens to be true it's not something that's going to be ignored by the rest just because of all the good deeds that came before. That sort of thing happens [i]all the time[/i] in today's society, look no further than the Petreus scandal going on among many other events in the past. Whether people forgive and forget is another topic, but then and there when the revelation is made the negative will be harped on more than anything. It's simple human nature to weigh in the bad traits past or present over whatever good thus far. Halsey is somewhat lucky in the sense that it is still an internal conflict within the military with the public at large still unaware thus far. But when the word gets out the logical step would not be to have everyone in public support Halsey because her Spartans saved the day. Opinion would be diverse.[/quote] And how would they find that out? Kurt was the only one who Halsey told why she had really come there, so he was the only one who knew her purpose in coming to Onyx, and he's dead....so [i]how[/i] would anyone know why Halsey was there in order to be irked? That was the main point/biggest point of my original reply. How would any of them know this in order to be irked? The only person Halsey talked to about it/confessed to is dead, and no one else knew why she was there in the first place. And I've never gotten that interpretation of Parangosky at all, in fact, I'd have to say that she doesn't understand anyone at all, otherwise she would not have such a god-complex and consider herself above the law and everything else. Halsey being one of the people she has no comprehension of at all, and even if she did, there no prior evidence or hints or anything of the sort to indicate what Halsey's goals would be in going to Onyx. No attempt has ever been made previously of taking the Spartans and trying to save them from dying in battle or hiding somewhere with them. Even if Parangosky tried to claim that, there would not be any evidence to support her assertion(s). The whole premise of Parangosky having Halsey illegally kidnapped and held as a secret slave is a highly flawed one and doesn't work with the way Halo has been set up and established. She may be able to detain Halsey for a brief amount of time, but it's not something that would be able to be kept secret, especially not with Parangosky's blind hatred of Halsey being quite well known amongst those who know the two ladies, such as Lord Hood. No matter how hard ONI's beloved fuhrer called bull--blam!- on anything, no one would take her word on the matter due to said hatred mentioned above, personal bias and opinions on the subject render Parangosky what is known as an unreliable witness. And that's another thing, Parangosky does not have the power to arrest whoever she wants, actual criminal or personal enemy, the most that can be done is detaining the suspect until any sort of official trial and sentencing can be conducted and whatever matter it is investigated. As far as everyone with any kind of power but Parangosky are concerned, Halsey hasn't done anything wrong and grounds for arrest are baseless. The Spartan Program is never going to go public though beyond the existence of Spartans. The UNSC are not idiots, revealing the origins of the Spartans IIs and IIIs would only create trouble and rip the UNSC apart. They're too smart to do something stupid like completely declassifying the project. Of course opinion would be diverse on the issue, and therein lies the issue with Traviss' trilogy, she treats the subject of Halsey (as well as the Elites) as something completely one-dimensional, there are no points of view expressed but the negative one of the protagonists in the Glasslands Trilogy. When writing a story one needs to provide depths to both characters and situations, which is not done through forcing the author's own opinion down the audience's throat as if it is the only correct assumption to be had. It needs to be nuanced and both sides need to be present (not necessarily as point of view characters) and acknowledged...neither of which Travissty does, she gets up on her soapbox and only delivers her opinion that Halsey is the devil. Nylund left it open to the interpretation of his readers, as evidenced by people having such widely differing opinions before Glasslands came out or the people who support Traviss extremely biased depiction. [Edited on 12.09.2012 7:23 PM PST]
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    LtColonelTzu

    LtColonelTzu

    12/9/2012 10:37:47 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] OrderedComa [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] StealthSlasher2 What did matter was the battle on the ground and stopping Truth from getting to the very thing that's preventing the Covenant from outright glassing Earth. So it would be understandable for someone to be rather irked that a significant ground asset such as a Spartan, let alone several, would be redeployed away from Earth under false pretenses. The UNSC was lucky as hell to have had the Master Chief return to assist in ground ops when he did.[/quote] How would anyone know if they're false pretenses or not? Kurt is dead, and Halsey is the only one who knows her reasoning for going to Onyx in the first place. And even so, Parangosky has no right at all to act as she did because the order for sending the Spartans to Onyx was given by someone higher up in the chain of command. Hood is the defacto commander in chief of the UNSC by this point and he authorized sending Blue Team to Onyx himself, Parangosky has no room to decide anything on the matter, and in the end it all paid off anyway. Infinity would be nowhere near what it is currently without the Onyx Shield World having been uncovered. And not to mention that were it not for Halsey none of the people on Onyx would have survived at all.[/quote] Irked [i]afterwards[/i] And as far as Hood was concerned at the time they were legitimate reasons. The charges were stuck on afterwards, and even someone like Hood wouldn't be able to ignore the fact that Halsey tricked him into sending Spartans away so that she could hide them away from the war. We're already seeing some of that manifest in Spartan Ops with Lasky becoming suspicious of Halsey's actions. Finding out that Onyx's interior was a cash cow was lucky for the UNSC but doesn't change the fact that Halsey went there with the intention to hide with her Spartans, not find an ace for the UNSC. Seeing how Parangosky is characterized as having some sort of idea as to how Halsey works to rationalize things as well for a perchance for connecting the dots to see gaps in reasoning, it's not hard to believe that she would call bs on any excuse Halsey brought up during her interrogation as to why she headed there and eventually zero in on that fact of the matter. When someone with just [i]enough power[/i] has the ability to prosecute something, and that thing happens to be true it's not something that's going to be ignored by the rest just because of all the good deeds that came before. That sort of thing happens [i]all the time[/i] in today's society, look no further than the Petreus scandal going on among many other events in the past. Whether people forgive and forget is another topic, but then and there when the revelation is made the negative will be harped on more than anything. It's simple human nature to weigh in the bad traits past or present over whatever good thus far. Halsey is somewhat lucky in the sense that it is still an internal conflict within the military with the public at large still unaware thus far. But when the word gets out the logical step would not be to have everyone in public support Halsey because her Spartans saved the day. Opinion would be diverse.
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    Citrus raptor

    Citrus raptor

    12/9/2012 6:16:28 AM Permalink
    Next thing we know, Parangosky's been a manifestation of the Assembly [i]all along[/i]. [Edited on 12.08.2012 10:16 PM PST]
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    OrderedComa

    OrderedComa

    12/9/2012 6:08:00 AM Permalink
    Not soon enough I'm afraid >_> Next thing you know 343i will be having Parangosky declare the UNSC the first Galactic Empire with herself as Empress and then go about showing herself for the petty and spiteful tyrant that she is....she would get along quite well with Emperor Palpatine and the Sith -___- [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh She arrested Halsey for squandering ONI funds towards an unauthrozed project, not for the Spartans themselves. And the UNSC asked her to stay on because she's very effective. But by Halo 4's time, she's probably dead by now.[/quote] *headdesk* *facepalm* *faceFlood* Unauthorized? Where the -blam!- hell are you getting that pile of bull-blam!-? ONI are the ones who came up with the Spartan Program and they would have started it with or without Halsey. [i]They[/i] approached her. Halsey had nothing to do with creating the Spartan II Program, that was all ONI and their doing, they wanted Halsey to head up their project because of her expertise/knowledge in genetics. What Parangosky did is illegally kidnap someone just because she didn't like them, it was not arresting or anything legal in the least, just Maggot Parangosky overstepping her bounds as per usual and deciding she's completely above the law and can act however she wants because she's the only one who knows what's best. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] StealthSlasher2 What did matter was the battle on the ground and stopping Truth from getting to the very thing that's preventing the Covenant from outright glassing Earth. So it would be understandable for someone to be rather irked that a significant ground asset such as a Spartan, let alone several, would be redeployed away from Earth under false pretenses. The UNSC was lucky as hell to have had the Master Chief return to assist in ground ops when he did.[/quote] How would anyone know if they're false pretenses or not? Kurt is dead, and Halsey is the only one who knows her reasoning for going to Onyx in the first place. And even so, Parangosky has no right at all to act as she did because the order for sending the Spartans to Onyx was given by someone higher up in the chain of command. Hood is the defacto commander in chief of the UNSC by this point and he authorized sending Blue Team to Onyx himself, Parangosky has no room to decide anything on the matter, and in the end it all paid off anyway. Infinity would be nowhere near what it is currently without the Onyx Shield World having been uncovered. And not to mention that were it not for Halsey none of the people on Onyx would have survived at all.
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    LtColonelTzu

    LtColonelTzu

    12/9/2012 5:50:42 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TedToaster22 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] StealthSlasher2 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TedToaster22 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Atomic Tea [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh She arrested Halsey for squandering ONI funds towards an unauthrozed project, not for the Spartans themselves. And the UNSC asked her to stay on because she's very effective. But by Halo 4's time, she's probably dead by now.[/quote] Didn't she also tack on the charge of directing valuable war assets away from Earth during a time in which Earth's location was compromised? Big no-no.[/quote] Wouldn't [i]Infinty[/i] fall into that category? [/quote] How exactly?[/quote] The fact that massive amounts of funding went into a ship that wasn't even ready by the end of the war, and contributed nothing to the defense of Earth against the enemy that was slowly exterminating humanity. That money could have funded countless projects, such as more conventional ships, that would have proved more useful to the war effort, rather than being a pile of credits sitiing in an Oort cloud. I'm saying it shouldn't have been done (the events of Halo 4 have proved it was well worth it), but it's incredibly hypocritical for Paragonsky to accuse Halsey of "directing valuable war assets away from Earth."[/quote] Whose to say they haven't been allocating resources best they can. But then again how can you inform someone an investment shouldn't be made because you can for certain say it won't on so and so date. You're comparing a decision made in hindsight, years ago, versus one made in the then and now under immediately pressing circumstances. Between the Sabres, Boosters, YGGDRASIL, and god knows what else military organizations are, and can evidently be observed even throughout actual history, no stranger to funding secret projects on the side in the hope that the investment pays off. The development of new technology to gain the edge over an opponent will always require resources and will always carry the risk of not paying off in the end, but the calculated chance that it could pay off always carries a certain allure over conventional items. Even then, convention equipment is certainly not outright ignored while these prototypes are constructed. Regardless of their origin the facilities used to house such equipment is usually off the grid and thus not part of regular production. So it becomes a matter of cost. Even then that is surely put into consideration and observed in Ghosts of Onyx when the procedure for approving the Spartan IIIs was observed. The UNSC can put all the funding they want into making Frigates, Cruisers, and even Super Carriers, hundreds of thousands if they so please in place of investing in special projects, but it doesn't A) Change the fact that these vessels have such a terrible kill ratio for all the money, materials, and personnel put into it against a foe like the Covenant and B) the number of production facilities and to field all these ships, vehicles, weapons, food, etc. dwindles quickly with each planet that falls. The time to produce them takes longer still. So obviously the need to divert resources into special projects that would turn the tide at key moments after weighing what pros and cons are considered at the time for the overall war effort was necessary at the time they're approved. That said, who would predict with absolute certainty that Infinity would be ready by the time the Covenant hit Earth. So how would that decision to divert resources years ago compare with making the choice of commandeering Spartans for the purpose of running away and hiding from the war when it still raged.
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    nemesishunter7

    nemesishunter7

    12/9/2012 5:14:19 AM Permalink
    She'll probably die in the next Kilo Five book. She trips on one of her cookies, falls and breaks her neck. Then a piano falls on her. *Cue Laugh track*
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    TedToaster22

    TedToaster22

    12/9/2012 4:54:19 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] StealthSlasher2 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TedToaster22 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Atomic Tea [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh She arrested Halsey for squandering ONI funds towards an unauthrozed project, not for the Spartans themselves. And the UNSC asked her to stay on because she's very effective. But by Halo 4's time, she's probably dead by now.[/quote] Didn't she also tack on the charge of directing valuable war assets away from Earth during a time in which Earth's location was compromised? Big no-no.[/quote] Wouldn't [i]Infinty[/i] fall into that category? [/quote] How exactly?[/quote] The fact that massive amounts of funding went into a ship that wasn't even ready by the end of the war, and contributed nothing to the defense of Earth against the enemy that was slowly exterminating humanity. That money could have funded countless projects, such as more conventional ships, that would have proved more useful to the war effort, rather than being a pile of credits sitiing in an Oort cloud. I'm saying it shouldn't have been done (the events of Halo 4 have proved it was well worth it), but it's incredibly hypocritical for Paragonsky to accuse Halsey of "directing valuable war assets away from Earth."
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    LtColonelTzu

    LtColonelTzu

    12/9/2012 4:38:02 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TedToaster22 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Atomic Tea [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh She arrested Halsey for squandering ONI funds towards an unauthrozed project, not for the Spartans themselves. And the UNSC asked her to stay on because she's very effective. But by Halo 4's time, she's probably dead by now.[/quote] Didn't she also tack on the charge of directing valuable war assets away from Earth during a time in which Earth's location was compromised? Big no-no.[/quote] Wouldn't [i]Infinty[/i] fall into that category? [/quote] How exactly? The Infinity still wasn't ready, and it is only one ship despite its size. What's it going to do against the entirety of Truth's fleet? Jul's fleet is a hodge podge of worn down vessels by the time Halo 4 rolls around, the majority of which don't even have shields whereas the Covenant vessels at the battle of Earth were still in their prime. The Infinity would not have changed the tide of the war right then and there, so why commit it to a battle in orbit when the Covenant had it secure. Without any [i]significant[/i] screening force of UNSC vessels it's like sending the Yamato to support forces in Okinawa back in WWII, which is to say it'd be destroyed before lending any support to its objective. What did matter was the battle on the ground and stopping Truth from getting to the very thing that's preventing the Covenant from outright glassing Earth. So it would be understandable for someone to be rather irked that a significant ground asset such as a Spartan, let alone several, would be redeployed away from Earth under false pretenses. The UNSC was lucky as hell to have had the Master Chief return to assist in ground ops when he did.
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    TedToaster22

    TedToaster22

    12/9/2012 3:56:36 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Atomic Tea [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh She arrested Halsey for squandering ONI funds towards an unauthrozed project, not for the Spartans themselves. And the UNSC asked her to stay on because she's very effective. But by Halo 4's time, she's probably dead by now.[/quote] Didn't she also tack on the charge of directing valuable war assets away from Earth during a time in which Earth's location was compromised? Big no-no.[/quote] Wouldn't [i]Infinty[/i] fall into that category? OT: I want to see Maggie scheming it up with Osman through communications, only for Lord Hood to burst in, karate chop her in the neck, and shout "REMEMBER WHO DA MAN 'ROUND HERE!"
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    LtColonelTzu

    LtColonelTzu

    12/9/2012 3:47:49 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog She's not too bad; I wouldn't say I like her but I'm not campaigning for her death. Until we're told otherwise, it's probably best to assume she's still alive.[/quote] If anything I wouldn't be surprised if she's already retired and given the reigns to Osman between the events of Thursday War and Halo 4.
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    Atomic Tea

    Atomic Tea

    12/8/2012 12:24:15 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh She arrested Halsey for squandering ONI funds towards an unauthrozed project, not for the Spartans themselves. And the UNSC asked her to stay on because she's very effective. But by Halo 4's time, she's probably dead by now.[/quote] Didn't she also tack on the charge of directing valuable war assets away from Earth during a time in which Earth's location was compromised? Big no-no.
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    ROBERTO jh

    ROBERTO jh

    12/8/2012 12:15:35 AM Permalink
    She arrested Halsey for squandering ONI funds towards an unauthrozed project, not for the Spartans themselves. And the UNSC asked her to stay on because she's very effective. But by Halo 4's time, she's probably dead by now. [Edited on 12.07.2012 4:15 PM PST]
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    fsabran

    fsabran

    12/7/2012 11:11:06 PM Permalink
    thanks to advanced medical tecnolgy she wont stop eating her ginger bread until she is 150 years old.
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    Footbutt

    Footbutt

    12/7/2012 11:04:36 PM Permalink
    ^this i'm not all the way through Glasslands, but i'm not absolutely hating her. she has her place in the Haloverse. *speculation* she's genetically modified!
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