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Guilty Spark

Guilty Spark

11/20/2012 3:47:02 PM
[b]SPOILERS MENTIONED IN THIS THREAD, READ CAREFULLY.[/b] [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDGH8iJsZFs]Apparently[/url], someone outside of the Milky Way fired two pods literally containing the Flood into Human-controlled space, giving us the ultimate weapon to kill the Forerunners. Also, the prehistoric humans were allied with the prophets? Wat?! Why haven't we been told this? I'd like to know everything*, but I don't have the time to read the novels. Tell me. *important plot events that the video games haven't mentioned [Edited on 11.20.2012 8:16 AM PST]

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    Citrus raptor

    Citrus raptor

    11/20/2012 7:33:58 PM Permalink
    About all of the Precursors [i]supporting[/i] the Flood, who imprisoned the prisoner? [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] CoRaMo My gripe with the Forerunner trilogy is that too often it feels like the books will basically 100% confirm one theory or another but then they pull a 180° later on and say that some character was lying or something and that you, the reader, still don't know the facts.[/quote]Or just not portrayed fully or deliberately left vague. Right after I had read Cryptum I thought it would be fun to draw the Prisoner, so I did. But then when I read Primordium, he suddenly had a lot of other bodily features that weren't mentioned before, even though one of the descriptions was pirectly from the Ur Didacts point of view. At first I though it was cause it could evolve itself or something, but that would be kind of odd not to remark on woudn't it; why didn't Forthencho or Bornstellar say something? It's not the best example though, because of the creatures nature. [Edited on 11.20.2012 11:43 AM PST]
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    CoRaMo

    CoRaMo

    11/20/2012 7:28:23 PM Permalink
    My gripe with the Forerunner trilogy is that too often it feels like the books will basically 100% confirm one theory or another but then they pull a 180° later on and say that some character was lying or something and that you, the reader, still don't know the facts. [Edited on 11.20.2012 11:28 AM PST]
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    Chronarch

    Chronarch

    11/20/2012 6:52:29 PM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Jump Into Hell The Primordial(aka the Timeless One) is actually a Gravemind. This is revealed at the end of Primordium.[/quote] Yes... the Flood and Precursors became synonymous. [quote]"We are the Flood. There is no difference. Until all space and time are rolled up and life is crushed in the folds... no end to grief, war or pain. In a hundred and one thousand centuries... unity again, and wisdom. Until then - sweetness."[/quote] [quote]"You told me you were the last Precursor." The Primordial rearranged its limbs with a leathery shuffle. Powder sifted from torso and legs. "How can you be the last of anything?" the Didact asked. "I see now that you are a mash-up of old victims infected by the Flood. A Gravemind. Were all Precursors Graveminds?" Another sifting shuffle. "Or are you after all only an imitation of a Precursor, a puppet - a reanimated corpse? Are all the Precursors gone- or is it that the Flood will make new Precursors?"[/quote] * [quote]I don't remember reading anywhere that the Precursors thought that the Flood was the perfect life form.[/quote] From the Timeless One: [quote]"It was a long time ago decided. Forerunners will never bear the Mantle." "Decided how?" "Through long study. The decision is final. Humans will replace you. Humans will be tested next." Was the Primordial giving me a message of hope? Doom for our enemies... ascendancy and triumph for humanity? "Is that to be our punishment?" the Didact asked, his tone subdued - dangerous. "It is the way of those who seek out the truth of the Mantle. Humans will rise again in arrogance and defiance. The Flood will return when they are ripe - and bring them unity."[/quote] The Flood is seen as a being of complete unity and wisdom, exemplified by the Gravemind's dialogue in Halo 3 where he refers to the Flood as a "timeless chorus" that will "sing 'victory everlasting'" if humanity joins its voice with them. The Precursors and Flood became synonymous, this is the "truth of the Mantle" and the test for other races is whether they succumb and ascend to attain the Mantle or fail as the Forerunners failed by fighting back. As the Timeless One said, until "all space and time are rolled up and life is crushed in the folds" by the Flood there will be "no end to grief, war or pain". The Flood is a completely unified being free of strife and desire for conflict, a theme heavily brought out in Halo Legends: Origins through Cortana's dialogue that "there will always be war" as long as humanity is around. Thus the plot for the Reclaimer Trilogy is set: [quote]"Forerunners will fail as you have failed before. Humans will rise. Whether they will also fail has not been decided."[/quote] * [quote]Also, the humans threw their population against the Flood to spread the cure, which killed the Flood while sacrificing their own.[/quote] This is not what happened... There is no Flood cure, humanity simply passed the Precursor test and the Flood retreated, choosing not to infect them. They only thought the cure was real since this information is known only by the Bornstellar-Didact and Chakas 10,000 years after this even happened. [quote]"But most humans are immune," the Didact said. Then he seemed to understand, and lowered his great head between his shoulders like a bull about to charge. [i]"Can the Flood choose to infect, or not to infect?"[/i] The wide, flat head canted to one side, as if savoring some demonic irony. "No immunity. Judgement. Timing."[/quote] [Edited on 11.20.2012 10:57 AM PST]
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    Jump Into Hell

    Jump Into Hell

    11/20/2012 4:29:32 PM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Bungie Sam [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Jump Into Hell [b]Human-Flood War[/b] ... [b]Human-Forerunner War[/b] ...[/quote]Thank you, I'm aware of these which were highlighted in the video I linked in the OP. The wiki doesn't highlight events in a comfortably in-depth detail, which is why I asked here to seek additional knowledge. If there are more notable events I'd appreciate if you could share them here. Is there an upcoming novel to finalize the Halo universe's story, too?[/quote] I don't think the story can ever be 'finalized', but if you mean wrapping up the Forerunners' story, I think you're looking for Silentium. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ajw34307 Only the cure was later discovered to be fake, as the Timeless one (a Precursor) reveals that the Flood simply chose to stop infecting humanity because they passed the 'test' the Precursors created for the Mantle - which involves having to succumb to the Flood, since it's viewed by the precursors as the perfect life form. Humanity passed because, in a last ditch effort to stop the Flood, they threw a massive amount of their population against the Flood.[/quote] The Primordial(aka the Timeless One) is actually a Gravemind. This is revealed at the end of Primordium. I don't remember reading anywhere that the Precursors thought that the Flood was the perfect life form. Also, the humans threw their population against the Flood to spread the cure, which killed the Flood while sacrificing their own. [Edited on 11.20.2012 8:30 AM PST]
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    Chronarch

    Chronarch

    11/20/2012 4:23:28 PM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Jump Into Hell And the humans found a cure to fight back the Flood. They were able to eradicate the Flood, so that it would not be a threat until thousands of years later.[/quote] Only the cure was later discovered to be fake, as the Timeless one (a Precursor) reveals that the Flood simply chose to stop infecting humanity because they passed the 'test' the Precursors created for the Mantle - which involves having to succumb to the Flood, since it's viewed by the precursors as the perfect life form. Humanity passed because, in a last ditch effort to stop the Flood, they threw a massive amount of their population against the Flood.
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    Guilty Spark

    Guilty Spark

    11/20/2012 4:20:05 PM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Jump Into Hell [b]Human-Flood War[/b] ... [b]Human-Forerunner War[/b] ...[/quote]Thank you, I'm aware of these which were highlighted in the video I linked in the OP. The wiki doesn't highlight events in a comfortably in-depth detail, which is why I asked here to seek additional knowledge. If there are more notable events I'd appreciate if you could share them here. Is there an upcoming novel to finalize the Halo universe's story, too?
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    Jump Into Hell

    Jump Into Hell

    11/20/2012 4:12:05 PM Permalink
    Okay, [b]major[/b] spoilers for the Forerunner books and Halo 4 ahead. [b]Human-Flood War[/b] I'll start from the origin of the Flood. They were first encountered by the humans, and came in the form of a fine powder contained in cylinders. The humans introduced this powder to a pet called the Pheru, which caused them to have qualities that the humans liked. San Shyuum also took the mutated Pheru as pets. Later, the Pheru continued to mutate and had growths such as rods on their heads. Eventually they became the Flood. Before this, the humans had formed an alliance with the San Shyuum on Charum Hakkor. Note that the humans' technological prowess rivaled that of the Forerunners. The humans went to war with the Flood. In their desperation, they invaded many worlds. And the humans found a cure to fight back the Flood. They were able to eradicate the Flood, so that it would not be a threat until thousands of years later. [b]Human-Forerunner War[/b] The Forerunners saw human invasion of planets as expansion, not knowing that they were trying to escape from the Flood. As upholders of the Mantle, the Warrior-Servants among the Forerunners, led by the Didact, waged war against humanity. Humanity(and the San Shyuum) was forced to fight a war on two fronts, and naturally lost. Naturally, the humans did not give the cure to the Flood infestation to the Forerunners, destroying all data of it. As a final act of punishment for humanity's apparent crimes, the Forerunners(and the Didact) devolved the humans to a pre-technological state and sent them back to their homeworld Erde-Tyrene(Earth). They were overseen by the Librarian, hence the Didact referring to the humans as the Libarian's pets in Halo 4. [b]Forerunner-Flood War[/b] The Forerunners used tactics such as orbital bombardment to stall the advance of the Flood. A high-ranking Forerunner known as the Master Builder built the Halo rings as a last resort to destroy the Flood. The Forerunner Council favoured this option over the Didact's proposed Shield Worlds. Later, the Didact returned and the Master Builder was trialed for this was a major violation of the Mantle. The Didact led the Forerunners against the Flood, and eventually used the Composer to transform his warriors into Prometheans, which were used to combat the Flood. There weren't enough, so the Didact decided to Compose a whole lot of humans to make Prometheans. He justified this by saying that the humans had a noble purpose in becoming Prometheans as they would help stop the Flood and save the universe. In the end, all of the Forerunners' tactics failed as the Flood consumed entire systems. The Forerunners were on the verge of being overrun. As a last resort, the Halo Array was fired as a last resort, eradicating all sentient life - any potential Flood hosts. Without hosts, all Flood died out, except for those contained in Forerunner installations such as Installation 04(i.e. Halo CE Libary). Ships reintroduced species into their respective planets, allowing life to start again. [Edited on 11.20.2012 8:24 AM PST]
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    Guilty Spark

    Guilty Spark

    11/20/2012 3:50:51 PM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Jump Into Hell What do you mean by 'everything'? Narrow down your range and I might be able to help you.[/quote]Important Halo Universe plot events that aren't highlighted by the video games.
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