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11/8/2012 1:43:00 AM
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The Didact (spoilers)
For those of you who've read the forerunner books. Whats the theories on which Didact was in halo 4?
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Ur-Didact for sure. I still can't figure out why he hates humans. The terminals seem to contradict the books.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] nemesishunter7 Ur-Didact for sure. I still can't figure out why he hates humans. The terminals seem to contradict the books.[/quote]Maybe it's just a natural hatred. Isn't the Didact that's in Halo 4 the same Didact that fought the humans in the Forerunner-Human war?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] nemesishunter7 Ur-Didact for sure. I still can't figure out why he hates humans. The terminals seem to contradict the books.[/quote] Not really. He wasn't exactly the biggest fan of the humans in the books either, just tolerant given the circumstances. He waged war with humanity and knew them as enemies for a thousand years. Old habits die hard. I doubt it would be easy to forget and let go of that. As Spark put it, without the Librarian to temper his rage etc. Another thing that could add to the issue is his pride. The Didact seems to dislike the idea of the Forerunner not being top dog. He found out that humanity were equal and on the way to being more advanced to his own race. So subconsciously he could be using revenge for the war as an excuse to attack humanity for his own reasons. Yet another thing to consider is that despite he Didact's actions being destructive and evil from humanity's perspective he was doing it to build an army to fight the Galaxy's true enemy, The Flood. They will be back, and the Precursors could be too. He was doing something terrible but he was doing it for a reason, no matter how mistaken about the morality of the situation he is.
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I was under the impression that the Didact's actions in Halo 4 were a reaction to his being told that the Primordial would one day return, so he's trying to build an army of Prometheans so he'll be ready for them. He still sees himself as guardian of the galaxy (which is why he stayed behind rather than ascend to the Great Journey,) and he wants to protect the other species from the Primordial. The only one he has no love for is humanity; he thinks they've already had their chance, and if anyone deserve to die in service of the cause they do.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] switch 104 sv [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] nemesishunter7 Ur-Didact for sure. I still can't figure out why he hates humans. The terminals seem to contradict the books.[/quote] Not really. He wasn't exactly the biggest fan of the humans in the books either, just tolerant given the circumstances. He waged war with humanity and knew them as enemies for a thousand years. Old habits die hard. I doubt it would be easy to forget and let go of that. As Spark put it, without the Librarian to temper his rage etc. Another thing that could add to the issue is his pride. The Didact seems to dislike the idea of the Forerunner not being top dog. He found out that humanity were equal and on the way to being more advanced to his own race. So subconsciously he could be using revenge for the war as an excuse to attack humanity for his own reasons. Yet another thing to consider is that despite he Didact's actions being destructive and evil from humanity's perspective he was doing it to build an army to fight the Galaxy's true enemy, The Flood. They will be back, and the Precursors could be too. He was doing something terrible but he was doing it for a reason, no matter how mistaken about the morality of the situation he is.[/quote] I haven't thought of that but at the point of "executing" the lord of admirals, the Didact seemed to respect him. I didn't detect any intense hatred from the Didact towards humanity. The Didact in Halo 4 didn't really explain what he was doing but it felt like a direct offensive against humanity than gathering soldiers for another Flood war.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] nemesishunter7 I haven't thought of that but at the point of "executing" the lord of admirals, the Didact seemed to respect him.[/quote] [i]"My finest opponent, the Mantle accepts all who live fiercely, who defend their young, who build and struggle and grow, and even those who dominate - as humans have dominated; cruelly, without wisdom."[/i] ~ Didact, Terminal 4
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I'll have to play it again because when I first saw Didact I was too busy ogling at the fact that he looked like a vampire to pay attention to what he was saying, but he made a remark about there still being time to stop humanity's ascendancy. So it does seem like he wanted to prevent us assuming the mantle. I find myself wondering what the Great Journey actually is, since it's pretty clear now that it's a real thing. It'll be interesting to see what happens to the Storm after [i]Halo 4.[/i] I really wish we could have seen some of the events from Jul's eyes - what was his reaction to the Didact? Did he think he was truly a God? What did he think about John's trying to stop him? I'm really hoping for a 'Sangheili Ops' further down the line, filling in their side of the story.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog I'm really hoping for a 'Sangheili Ops' further down the line, filling in their side of the story.[/quote] Most likely not since the story line isn't as much about the Elite's as it is about Humanities struggle with recovery after 25 years of war. While it'd be interesting for there to be an Elite story (much like Halo 2 did with their split campaign), I don't think 343's gunna go for it.
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It makes sense now that Ur-Didact is the one of the Halo 3 terminals, the one that lit the array.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Onomatopoeia It makes sense now that Ur-Didact is the one of the Halo 3 terminals, the one that lit the array.[/quote] I'm pretty sure it's the Bornstellar-Didact who fired the Rings. The Librarian shoots the Ur-Didact and places him in the Cryptum, imprisoning him in Requiem - saying that the Halos will fire "in the days to come".
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog It'll be interesting to see what happens to the Storm after [i]Halo 4.[/i][/quote] The least that we know from Spartan Ops is that the Covenant still exists 6 months after Halo 4, and are still intent on holding onto Requiem and being belligerent towards the UNSC. They maintain a pretty huge fleet outside Requiem when Infinity shows up. One would have thought by now that they would have gotten the message when even one of their so called "gods" is ostensibly slain by MC, and fails to even put a dent in Humanity's power. Even the idea that this Forerunner has been exiled by the rest of the Forerunners doesn't even seem to faze the Covenant species. After this I wonder how the Elites even made it into space in the first place. They are so stupid and gullible that it is something to cynically marvel at.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] anton1792 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog It'll be interesting to see what happens to the Storm after [i]Halo 4.[/i][/quote] The least that we know from Spartan Ops is that the Covenant still exists 6 months after Halo 4, and are still intent on holding onto Requiem and being belligerent towards the UNSC. They maintain a pretty huge fleet outside Requiem when Infinity shows up. One would have thought by now that they would have gotten the message when even one of their so called "gods" is ostensibly slain by MC, and fails to even put a dent in Humanity's power. Even the idea that this Forerunner has been exiled by the rest of the Forerunners doesn't even seem to faze the Covenant species. After this I wonder how the Elites even made it into space in the first place. They are so stupid and gullible that it is something to cynically marvel at.[/quote] Elites aren't stupid and gullible, religious extremists are, in this case, the Storm. They'll rationalize any reason to continue worshipping their gods, no matter how retarded it actually sounds. Though I'm pretty sure the Didact hasn't been killed, just defeated, and the Storm may know that. If they know he hasn't been killed, than they'll just worship him as a Christ-like figure even more.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] anton1792 They are so stupid and gullible that it is something to cynically marvel at.[/quote]Cuv'nent gonna Cuv'nent.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh Elites aren't stupid and gullible, religious extremists are, in this case, the Storm.[/quote] They are both quite comfortably synonymous at this point. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Primo84 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] anton1792 They are so stupid and gullible that it is something to cynically marvel at.[/quote]Cuv'nent gonna Cuv'nent. [/quote] [url=http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx283/Anton1792/blah%20blah/2-1.jpg]Aye[/url] I think [url=http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx283/Anton1792/blah%20blah/1.jpg]this[/url] just about sums it all up.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DarkestSeptagon [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] nemesishunter7 Ur-Didact for sure. I still can't figure out why he hates humans. The terminals seem to contradict the books.[/quote]Maybe it's just a natural hatred. Isn't the Didact that's in Halo 4 the same Didact that fought the humans in the Forerunner-Human war?[/quote] Yes he is. But he admired how humans fought so hard to live and protect what they believed. And the only reason he "hated" them is because humans invaded forerunner worlds, he thought they did it for gain but later he found out that humans were just running FM the flood.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] anton1792 I think [url=http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx283/Anton1792/blah%20blah/1.jpg]this[/url] just about sums it all up.[/quote] lol'd I thought their quest for the Didact was perfectly sensible - in a crisis of religion, they actually find a living, breathing God; how else would they react? I just wonder what exactly the Storm were doing, though. Did Jul meet the Didact? Surely if he did, the Didact's nobility wouldn't have allowed him to play at God. I feel like we're missing half of [i]Halo 4[/i]'s story in this regard.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] anton1792 I think [url=http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx283/Anton1792/blah%20blah/1.jpg]this[/url] just about sums it all up.[/quote] lol'd I thought their quest for the Didact was perfectly sensible - in a crisis of religion, they actually find a living, breathing God; how else would they react? I just wonder what exactly the Storm were doing, though. Did Jul meet the Didact? Surely if he did, the Didact's nobility wouldn't have allowed him to play at God. I feel like we're missing half of [i]Halo 4[/i]'s story in this regard.[/quote] When Chief first open the Didact's cryptum, all the elites start kneeling before Didact. Didact remarks that those creatures know what they are seeing, so Didact does seem to think of himself as better than them at the very least.
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Wasn't Jul an atheist though? Even at the end of [i]The Thursday War[/i], I recall him entertaining the idea of their gods being real, but coming to a conclusion that was more or less "if they are, -blam!- them anyway; my wife is dead." I'm not saying that Jul isn't exploiting those he commands and the rest of The Storm (former Abiding Truth?) are devout though. All I'm saying is, as always, Jul has his own ulterior motive; that motive being "-blam!- humans."
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog I feel like we're missing half of [i]Halo 4[/i]'s story in this regard.[/quote] Maybe they will cover it in Halo 5. Halo 4 was like CE in many ways, and in CE the Covenant had almost no character or exposition devoted to them. Then Halo 2 came along and changed that. If they are trying to mimic the original trilogy in the way the narrative and story evolved then the Covenant may play a larger role in the spotlight. And hopefully the Neo-Covenant isn't the be-all-end-all of the Covenant's post Halo 3 evolution. ------------ There's the possibility that the Didact didn't even say anything to the Covies and that the Covies just tagged along unsure of what the hell to do now.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] anton1792 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Wolverfrog It'll be interesting to see what happens to the Storm after [i]Halo 4.[/i][/quote] The least that we know from Spartan Ops is that the Covenant still exists 6 months after Halo 4, and are still intent on holding onto Requiem and being belligerent towards the UNSC. They maintain a pretty huge fleet outside Requiem when Infinity shows up. One would have thought by now that they would have gotten the message when even one of their so called "gods" is ostensibly slain by MC, and fails to even put a dent in Humanity's power. Even the idea that this Forerunner has been exiled by the rest of the Forerunners doesn't even seem to faze the Covenant species. After this I wonder how the Elites even made it into space in the first place. They are so stupid and gullible that it is something to cynically marvel at.[/quote]Thats because you are looking at them as regular elites when you should be loking at them as some kind of evil westboro baptist church.
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Well I'd like to think that. I'm not sure if it's correct though. We'll find out in like 3 years I guess.
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[i]"In the Forerunner's quest for transendence, the Composer had been intended to bridge the organic and digital realms; it would have made us immortal, but its results soured, the stored personalities fragmented and our attemps to restore them to biological states created only abominations. Such moral concerns faded from the Didacts attention. The Flood only assimilated living tissue, the Composer would allow the Didact his solution, and his revenge."[/i] ~ The Librarian Would this clear up why the Didact suddenly became [i]evil[/i]? [Edited on 11.10.2012 11:48 AM PST]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real Janaka [i]"In the Forerunner's quest for transendence, the Composer had been intended to bridge the organic and digital realms; it would have made us immortal, but its results soured, the stored personalities fragmented and our attemps to restore them to biological states created only abominations. Such moral concerns faded from the Didacts attention. The Flood only assimilated living tissue, the Composer would allow the Didact his solution, and his revenge."[/i] ~ The Librarian Would this clear up why the Didact suddenly became [i]evil[/i]?[/quote]There's a difference between being evil and being corrupted.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dragonzzilla[/quote]There's a difference between being evil and being corrupted.[/quote]Care to elaborate?
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Watch Halo 4 terminals.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the real Janaka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dragonzzilla[/quote]There's a difference between being evil and being corrupted.[/quote]Care to elaborate?[/quote] Evil: commiting "bad" acts or sins for the sole purpose of commiting said sins. Corrupted: One's actions become increasingly more "bad" as you strive to serve a purpose, for example if a loved one was in danger, a person might start off simply trying to hide the loved one away from danger, and eventually come to killing people who threaten said loved one. That's my interpretation of the terms anyway, they're not dictionary definitions. By this definition, Adolf Hitler was not "evil" by definition but severely corrupted.
