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    MacrabreMonster

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    10/3/2012 10:17:38 PM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xd00999 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TKDK4 You're basing that on the UNSC not claiming or recovering any of this tech.[/quote] And you're basing that assumption on the assumption that: A) They can actually recover this tech B) They can actually understand this tech [b]C) There are any UNSC left after a single Craftworld crushes their empire[/quote][/b] So I'm not the only person who thought of a Craftworld absolutely wrecking a large portion of the UNSC? [Edited on 10.03.2012 2:17 PM PDT]
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    Macharius

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    10/3/2012 8:49:48 PM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] TKDK4 You're basing that on the UNSC not claiming or recovering any of this tech.[/quote] And you're basing that assumption on the assumption that: A) They can actually recover this tech B) They can actually understand this tech C) There are any UNSC left after a single Craftworld crushes their empire [Edited on 10.03.2012 12:50 PM PDT]
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    Madman Mordo

    Madman Mordo

    10/3/2012 6:30:53 PM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ktan Dantaktee The Forerunners and Prometheans would just barely win. [/quote] Forerunners only have weaponry on the galactic scale. Just about everything in 40K is either tier 0 or nigh omnipotent gods.
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    TKDK4

    TKDK4

    10/3/2012 5:33:49 PM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xd00999 This thread again? There is a group for this, you know. Either way, 40k wins. The Imperium at it's peak (Dark Age) had Black Hole guns, time guns, armies of soldiers, continent sized warships and planet destroying weaponry. I have quotes for the first two, the other may take a bit of digging to find. Eventually, people will say 'Halo rings will fire and kill the enemies' but they are wrong. Three factions have precognitive powers with the Necrons having predicted the Tyranids 65 million years in advance. People will probably bring up the Precursors and their structures made from the living universe but a) 40k has the living universe too and b) Necrons used the life of the Universe as WMDs. The Hive Fleets we see in contemporary 40k are just splinter fleets from the first, true Hive Fleet. Finally, the C'tan are explicitly stated as having unlimited power in the material realm with their imagination as their sole handicap. [/quote] You're basing that on the UNSC not claiming or recovering any of this tech.
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    Lord Keksworth

    Lord Keksworth

    10/2/2012 11:13:36 PM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AnubissWarior [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MongotheRed [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AnubissWarior [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude These threads are pointless. May as well ask who would win in a fight between Gandalf and the USS Enterprise. They are completely different worlds with no common grounds whatsoever, its like comparing the colour blue and the number 8. Utterly incompatible.[/quote] I'd go with USS Enterprise[/quote] I'd go with Gandalf.[/quote] Round 1:CVN-65 fires AtG rockets. What now Gandalf? I'd go with USS Enterprise.[/quote] But then Harry mutha-blam!-in' Dresden storms in riding a zombie T-Rex with an army of faeries backing him up.
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    AnubissWarior

    AnubissWarior

    10/2/2012 5:19:03 PM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MongotheRed [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AnubissWarior [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude These threads are pointless. May as well ask who would win in a fight between Gandalf and the USS Enterprise. They are completely different worlds with no common grounds whatsoever, its like comparing the colour blue and the number 8. Utterly incompatible.[/quote] I'd go with USS Enterprise[/quote] I'd go with Gandalf.[/quote] Round 1:CVN-65 fires AtG rockets. What now Gandalf? I'd go with USS Enterprise. [Edited on 10.02.2012 9:20 AM PDT]
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    Grimstnzborith

    Grimstnzborith

    10/2/2012 2:26:09 PM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AnubissWarior [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude These threads are pointless. May as well ask who would win in a fight between Gandalf and the USS Enterprise. They are completely different worlds with no common grounds whatsoever, its like comparing the colour blue and the number 8. Utterly incompatible.[/quote] I'd go with USS Enterprise.[/quote] I'd go with Gandalf.
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    MacrabreMonster

    MacrabreMonster

    10/2/2012 1:03:13 PM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AnubissWarior [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude These threads are pointless. May as well ask who would win in a fight between Gandalf and the USS Enterprise. They are completely different worlds with no common grounds whatsoever, its like comparing the colour blue and the number 8. Utterly incompatible.[/quote] I'd go with USS Enterprise.[/quote]Dude. [i]Gandalf can do fireworks.[/i]
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    AnubissWarior

    AnubissWarior

    10/2/2012 12:22:59 PM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] flamedude These threads are pointless. May as well ask who would win in a fight between Gandalf and the USS Enterprise. They are completely different worlds with no common grounds whatsoever, its like comparing the colour blue and the number 8. Utterly incompatible.[/quote] I'd go with USS Enterprise.
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    flamedude

    flamedude

    10/2/2012 9:45:19 AM Permalink
    These threads are pointless. May as well ask who would win in a fight between Gandalf and the USS Enterprise. They are completely different worlds with no common grounds whatsoever, its like comparing the colour blue and the number 8. Utterly incompatible.
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    Lord Keksworth

    Lord Keksworth

    10/2/2012 3:16:20 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh The Halo is a little iffy in regards to Khorne. On one hand, everything dies and Khorne is forever in his happy place. On the other hand, the Halo destroys the very idea of consciousness and thought, or even the soul if you want to go that far--it'd have too, if it were to have any effect whatsoever on the Precursors' "the universe itself is alive" science.[/quote] I did a double take here. I don't think Halo ever mentioned souls, at all, in the story. I understand the Halo Array kills anything with a conscious. How do [i]souls[/i] factor into that? And if the universe is alive, why doesn't the Halo Effect wipe out a small void in the universe whenever they go off? Wouldn't every planet and star and atom and reality in general be destroyed in the blast, not just all sentient life?
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    Macharius

    Macharius

    10/2/2012 1:54:29 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh The Halo is a little iffy in regards to Khorne. On one hand, everything dies and Khorne is forever in his happy place. On the other hand, the Halo destroys the very idea of consciousness and thought, or even the soul if you want to go that far--it'd have too, if it were to have any effect whatsoever on the Precursors' "the universe itself is alive" science. If a Halo went off next to the eye of terror, for example, the deamons may well be eradicated, or otherwise severely damaged. Assuming the Precursors' weaponry is based in the same technology (which, again, it'd have to be for their weapons to make any sense related to their science) then they might be the bane of the Deamons and by extension, anything that can think, or at least has a "soul." I say might, though, simply because we can't know what will happen. I'll refer back to the "incomprehensible exists for a reason" post. And you're right about the Flood fighting machines, but again, 99% of the Forerunner force were machines too, according to that link I posted. In fact, the 40K verse has more organic food sources than the Haloverse ever has had. Hiding in another reality is effective, but then, the Forerunners could hide solar systems in another reality, so the two ideas cancel each other out--but again, the Forerunners still lost. I'm sure there have been many zombie plagues, since 40K's protocol is basically "if it's grim dark, throw it in", but none of them started out as dangerous as full capacity Forerunner Flood, and none of them, I'll wager a guess, were as intelligent or well eqipped. They can't have been, because if they started out like that, then they had already overrun the galaxy anyway. The Flood in this fight has just come out of curb stomping a millions of years old super race that used stars as weapons and had fleets of world shattering ships billions strong, maybe even trillions, and could produce those ships within seconds. I'll brb, I have to eat.[/quote] While the Halo vs Chaos scenario is iffy, I can confirm that Chaos is not part of the living universe. In fact, the living universe is actively trying to keep Chaos out. Correct, but every faction in 40k is at its peak too. Chaos has legions of daemons that can't be consumed or killed by the Flood, the Necrons have their millions of worlds and their souless bodies along with the support of dozens of physical gods who can do whatever they please. The Eldar can shuffle stars just like the Forerunners and have their seers predicting where the next Flood attack will come and countering it. It is awfully hard to win when your every move is known by the enemy before ou make it. The Tau make extensive use of drones and Battlesuits allowing more firepower with less bodies. Then you get the Men of Gold who used continent sized starships that require next to no organic interaction and can shoot black holes along with significant automation in the form of Men of Iron.The secondary effect of the black hole gun can destroy two fortress ships floating end to end. The Tyranids we have encountered are explicitly stated to be just splinter fleets from one of the main fleets and they have consumed thousands of galaxies. They definitely have a numerical advantage. Zombie plagues have been out of focus, but the one I mentioned was very Flood-like being controlled by a hive mind and capable of ripping steel doors of hinges. They weren't that well armed though as it was mostly citizens and gangers. See you for now.
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    ROBERTO jh

    ROBERTO jh

    10/2/2012 1:39:38 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xd00999 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh Which is why I was saying the Flood wouldn't be effective against the Chaos gods, though I somehow doubt the God of Pleassure would get much out of the Flood. And the AI vs. Chaos thing was a legitimate question. Anyways, the Flood would be able to navigate it, since they assimilate all of their victim's traits. But let's say they can't: Forerunner slipspace is far more accurate in that it reliably lands you in the proper century and location, and is far safer, seeing as it is not actively trying to kill you. Plus it isn't limited by the likes of the Astrominican, like the Imperium is. It isn't a perfect situation, but it is a very favorable one--for the Flood. My post, btw, ignores the 4 Gods on purpose, seeing as the only thing that could conceivably destroy them would be the Precursors, or Halo, maybe. The material 40K vs. would have a significantly more difficult time with the Flood than maybe even the 'Nids, mainly because the Flood is both an infection and super-powerful galactic horde and the 'Nids are just alien locusts. Both have similar bio-evolution capabilities and are superb adapters, but the Flood turn everything you throw at them back at you ten-fold--technology, knowledge, soldiers, etc.--which is why any universe that has a larger, more powerful population would get swamped faster once the Flood reach the Gravemind stage. Like a dense forest in a forest fire. The Forerunner Flood at their prime far exceeded the required tipping point in their evolution. Everything else in the Haloverse just adds insult to fatality; the Forerunners alone are a galaxy-class insult, squared up with their equals Ancient Man. This is not to say it'd be an easy fight, or even one sided, but the simple mathematical advantage the Flood give is too great to be overcome, perhaps even alone, regardless of the other factions.[/quote] AI vs Chaos has never really been explained because of the near complete lack of AI in the setting. The Nen of Iron were AI and one of their STCs were corrupted by Chaos, but the characters weren't dwelling on their interaction and were more concerened with escaping them. Perfectly true. However, several species have significant presence in the Warp and unless the Flood traverse those currents they are not even going to scratch Commoragh, the Black Library, or any Eldar vessel that decides to hide in there. It should also be noted that Navigators don't need the Astrominican and can navigate without it. The 4/5 gods are iffy, but actions fuel them as well as devotion. Detonating a Halo would be a mass sacrifice to Khorne. Material 40k could beat the Flood as there are several wholly mechanical armies that could be deployed against them (Men of Iron, Necrons, Wraithguards and Wraithlords). As I mentioned before, Men of Gold (Humanity at its prime) also had access to black hole guns and chrono weapons that can destroy everything for hundreds of kilometers with a single shot. Plus, C'Tan which effectively have unlimited power in the material realm. Tyranids turn yourself on you too. It is hypothesized that Zoanthropes are the result of the Swarm devouring Eldar DNA and creating a creature more capable of channeling the Hive Mind. You often liken the Flood to a fire in a forest, but the Imperium has dealt with zombie apocalypses before. Even though they are not the Flood, the principle is similar. Nurgle's Rot is often cause of problems but is contained many times. Even Necromunda gets the odd zombie plague (they even came up with their own scientific name: the neurone plague) but they survive. Bias did some math for me once and calculated that lance batteries output power in excess of several petatonnes. A cruiser is said to be capable of stripping an area down to the mantle with a lance battery. [/quote] The Halo is a little iffy in regards to Khorne. On one hand, everything dies and Khorne is forever in his happy place. On the other hand, the Halo destroys the very idea of consciousness and thought, or even the soul if you want to go that far--it'd have too, if it were to have any effect whatsoever on the Precursors' "the universe itself is alive" science. If a Halo went off next to the eye of terror, for example, the deamons may well be eradicated, or otherwise severely damaged. Assuming the Precursors' weaponry is based in the same technology (which, again, it'd have to be for their weapons to make any sense related to their science) then they might be the bane of the Deamons and by extension, anything that can think, or at least has a "soul." I say might, though, simply because we can't know what will happen. I'll refer back to the "incomprehensible exists for a reason" post. And you're right about the Flood fighting machines, but again, 99% of the Forerunner force were machines too, according to that link I posted. In fact, the 40K verse has more organic food sources than the Haloverse ever has had. Hiding in another reality is effective, but then, the Forerunners could hide solar systems in another reality, so the two ideas cancel each other out--but again, the Forerunners still lost. I'm sure there have been many zombie plagues, since 40K's protocol is basically "if it's grim dark, throw it in", but none of them started out as dangerous as full capacity Forerunner Flood, and none of them, I'll wager a guess, were as intelligent or well eqipped. They can't have been, because if they started out like that, then they had already overrun the galaxy anyway. The Flood in this fight has just come out of curb stomping a millions of years old super race that used stars as weapons and had fleets of world shattering ships billions strong, maybe even trillions, and could produce those ships within seconds. I'll brb, I have to eat. [Edited on 10.01.2012 5:41 PM PDT]
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    Macharius

    Macharius

    10/2/2012 1:10:23 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh Which is why I was saying the Flood wouldn't be effective against the Chaos gods, though I somehow doubt the God of Pleassure would get much out of the Flood. And the AI vs. Chaos thing was a legitimate question. Anyways, the Flood would be able to navigate it, since they assimilate all of their victim's traits. But let's say they can't: Forerunner slipspace is far more accurate in that it reliably lands you in the proper century and location, and is far safer, seeing as it is not actively trying to kill you. Plus it isn't limited by the likes of the Astrominican, like the Imperium is. It isn't a perfect situation, but it is a very favorable one--for the Flood. My post, btw, ignores the 4 Gods on purpose, seeing as the only thing that could conceivably destroy them would be the Precursors, or Halo, maybe. The material 40K vs. would have a significantly more difficult time with the Flood than maybe even the 'Nids, mainly because the Flood is both an infection and super-powerful galactic horde and the 'Nids are just alien locusts. Both have similar bio-evolution capabilities and are superb adapters, but the Flood turn everything you throw at them back at you ten-fold--technology, knowledge, soldiers, etc.--which is why any universe that has a larger, more powerful population would get swamped faster once the Flood reach the Gravemind stage. Like a dense forest in a forest fire. The Forerunner Flood at their prime far exceeded the required tipping point in their evolution. Everything else in the Haloverse just adds insult to fatality; the Forerunners alone are a galaxy-class insult, squared up with their equals Ancient Man. This is not to say it'd be an easy fight, or even one sided, but the simple mathematical advantage the Flood give is too great to be overcome, perhaps even alone, regardless of the other factions.[/quote] AI vs Chaos has never really been explained because of the near complete lack of AI in the setting. The Nen of Iron were AI and one of their STCs were corrupted by Chaos, but the characters weren't dwelling on their interaction and were more concerened with escaping them. Perfectly true. However, several species have significant presence in the Warp and unless the Flood traverse those currents they are not even going to scratch Commoragh, the Black Library, or any Eldar vessel that decides to hide in there. It should also be noted that Navigators don't need the Astrominican and can navigate without it. The 4/5 gods are iffy, but actions fuel them as well as devotion. Detonating a Halo would be a mass sacrifice to Khorne. Material 40k could beat the Flood as there are several wholly mechanical armies that could be deployed against them (Men of Iron, Necrons, Wraithguards and Wraithlords). As I mentioned before, Men of Gold (Humanity at its prime) also had access to black hole guns and chrono weapons that can destroy everything for hundreds of kilometers with a single shot. Plus, C'Tan which effectively have unlimited power in the material realm. Tyranids turn yourself on you too. It is hypothesized that Zoanthropes are the result of the Swarm devouring Eldar DNA and creating a creature more capable of channeling the Hive Mind. You often liken the Flood to a fire in a forest, but the Imperium has dealt with zombie apocalypses before. Even though they are not the Flood, the principle is similar. Nurgle's Rot is often cause of problems but is contained many times. Even Necromunda gets the odd zombie plague (they even came up with their own scientific name: the neurone plague) but they survive. Bias did some math for me once and calculated that lance batteries output power in excess of several petatonnes. A cruiser is said to be capable of stripping an area down to the mantle with a lance battery. [Edited on 10.01.2012 5:14 PM PDT]
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    ROBERTO jh

    ROBERTO jh

    10/2/2012 12:47:16 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xd00999 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh I have an idea. The Flood at their height is directly related to the Forerunners at their height. In this battle, both sides are at their height. [url]http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/forerunner-feat-thread.236388/[/url] We already know a lot about their raw firepower, but the shear industrial capacity of the Forerunners alone is overwhelming, nearly impossible to grasp. According to this, fleets of system-destroying warships could be produced within seconds, and lead by hyper intelligent beings with no souls (AIs). How would an AI interact with Chaos if it has no soul? Anyways, the Flood defeated these people. This is what I'm always talking about by the Flood being mathematically impossible to defeat after a certain point in their growth short of divine intervention or mass suicide. According to the OP, everyone is at their peak, which means this is the Flood as they were right before getting Halo'd, a galaxy-conquering, unstoppable swarm with full access to all of the resources the Forerunners had. Any race, other than the 'Crons, 'Nids and many of the Chaos types would be eatable. The extreme density with which the races of 40K live together--be them humans, or Orks--and especially in places such as hive worlds, would only accelerate the wild-fire spread of the Flood. At the height of their power, the Flood alone could possibly handle all of the non-'Nid organic races, shearly out of mathematical probability. And that is provided the 'Nids can't be infected. Where the Flood is concerned, the incredible size and power of 40K would backfire. Everything else is up to everyone else.[/quote] Chaos can, and has, corrupted machinery. A STC has no soul, not even a machine spirit, yet it was still corrupted by Chaos. It was also shown that a soul is not necesarilly required to earn the Gods' favour. While the Tau do have souls, they are incredibly weak. Even so, Khorne can still grant the power, such as in the case of Kias who was aided by Khorne. In addition, the STC in question was capable of producing a combat ready Man of Iron (think Terminators) every few seconds which in turn were corrupted by Chaos. The STC was buried deep underground with no obvious supplies yet it is still able to produce an army in minutes. The Imperium being at its height had thousands and thousands of these STCs. Actually, compared to other worlds, Hive Worlds are not the standard world. For every trillions strong hive world, there is a few agri-worlds populated by a few million lonely farmers. In addition the stronger the Flood gets the stronger Chaos becomes too. Every Flood form we have seen was in a state of decay and the Flood itself is a plague. Nurgle feeds off the Flood. The likelyhood of the Flood taking all other races is debatable because they can go where the Flood can not. Can the Flood enter the Webway? Can the Flood navigate the warp? [/quote] Which is why I was saying the Flood wouldn't be effective against the Chaos gods, though I somehow doubt the God of Pleassure would get much out of the Flood. And the AI vs. Chaos thing was a legitimate question. Anyways, the Flood would be able to navigate it, since they assimilate all of their victim's traits. But let's say they can't: Forerunner slipspace is far more accurate in that it reliably lands you in the proper century and location, and is far safer, seeing as it is not actively trying to kill you. Plus it isn't limited by the likes of the Astrominican, like the Imperium is. It isn't a perfect situation, but it is a very favorable one--for the Flood. My post, btw, ignores the 4 Gods on purpose, seeing as the only thing that could conceivably destroy them would be the Precursors, or Halo, maybe. The material 40K verse would have a significantly more difficult time with the Flood than maybe even the 'Nids, mainly because the Flood is both an infection and super-powerful galactic horde and the 'Nids are just alien locusts. Both have similar bio-evolution capabilities and are superb adapters, but the Flood turn everything you throw at them back at you ten-fold--technology, knowledge, soldiers, etc.--which is why any universe that has a larger, more powerful population would get swamped faster once the Flood reach the Gravemind stage. Like a dense forest in a forest fire. The Forerunner Flood at their prime far exceeded the required tipping point in their evolution. Everything else in the Haloverse just adds insult to fatality; the Forerunners alone are a galaxy-class insult, squared up with their equals Ancient Man. This is not to say it'd be an easy fight, or even one sided, but the simple mathematical advantage the Flood give is too great to be overcome, perhaps even alone, regardless of the other factions. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AJF1177 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh Anyways, the Flood defeated these people.[/quote] To be fair they won through a massive numerical advantage, the Forerunners being unprepared and unequipped to fight anything like the Flood, and apparently they didn't realize what exactly they were up against until it was too late. [quote]This is what I'm always talking about by the Flood being mathematically impossible to defeat after a certain point in their growth short of divine intervention or mass suicide.[/quote] That's pushing it quite a lot, but yeah, they're pretty tough in numbers. I wouldn't say they're some kind of invincible universe-ending fungal zombie war machine stomping over absolutely everything though.[/quote]Virus bombs would devastate the flood since it destroys everything biological.[/quote] Forcing stars to go supernova I think would be more effective, but that still didn't stop them. And yes you're right And I'm Here Too, but the reason the Forerunners lost in the first place was [i]because[/i] the Flood had evolved to reach that tipping point, the point of no return, before the Forerunners properly realized what was going on. To be sure, a small outbreak like the Halo trilogy outbreak could be reasonably destroyed with precision obliteration. But switch the technology that the Flood has available to them from Covies to Forerunner, or WH40K, and you suddenly have a beast that much more dangerous. After that, everything snowballs. Ships are sent to clense a planet, the force is infected, the Flood have more resources, the allies have less, and so on so forth. Every battle with the Flood, if you'll notice, has always ended with either complete, total obliteration of everything, including allied forces, or the Flood consuming everything. Either outcome results in catastrophic losses for the allied forces. The Flood don't have much to worry about because anything that dies can also be recycled into the Flood's resources to build progressively more powerful creatures, even dead Flood, so losses are of little to no concern. While you, on the other hand, just keep dying and not coming back while you fight an exponentially stronger enemy with every fight. [Edited on 10.01.2012 4:58 PM PDT]
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    AJF1177

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    10/2/2012 12:16:18 AM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] And Im Here Too [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh Anyways, the Flood defeated these people.[/quote] To be fair they won through a massive numerical advantage, the Forerunners being unprepared and unequipped to fight anything like the Flood, and apparently they didn't realize what exactly they were up against until it was too late. [quote]This is what I'm always talking about by the Flood being mathematically impossible to defeat after a certain point in their growth short of divine intervention or mass suicide.[/quote] That's pushing it quite a lot, but yeah, they're pretty tough in numbers. I wouldn't say they're some kind of invincible universe-ending fungal zombie war machine stomping over absolutely everything though.[/quote]Virus bombs would devastate the flood since it destroys everything biological.
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    Lord Keksworth

    Lord Keksworth

    10/1/2012 11:27:54 PM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SubtleSpartan I'll answer this quickly cause I cba to get into a big debate again, fighting the flood is essentially fighting yourself, they absorb the memories of those they assimilate. They can use everyhting their hosts can use and for every organic opponent they kill they gain a new soldier. They are the pinnacle of evolution, designed to wipe out organic life. No organic race could stop them at full power through combat alone. How they would fare against non-organics however, is aother matter...[/quote] ...Absolutely no organic race? From any fictional 'verse? Ha.
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    Lord Keksworth

    Lord Keksworth

    10/1/2012 11:26:09 PM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ROBERTO jh Anyways, the Flood defeated these people.[/quote] To be fair they won through a massive numerical advantage, the Forerunners being unprepared and unequipped to fight anything like the Flood, and apparently they didn't realize what exactly they were up against until it was too late. [quote]This is what I'm always talking about by the Flood being mathematically impossible to defeat after a certain point in their growth short of divine intervention or mass suicide.[/quote] That's pushing it quite a lot, but yeah, they're pretty tough in numbers. I wouldn't say they're some kind of invincible universe-ending fungal zombie war machine stomping over absolutely everything though.
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    MacrabreMonster

    MacrabreMonster

    10/1/2012 10:52:33 PM Permalink
    All races are at their peak? So... Tyranid Hive Fleets aren't getting cut in half by Craftworlds and Space Marine Crusades. THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of Space Marine chapters. Chaos Undivided with butt-tons of their Primarchs and assets still working? Eldar still have their massive Empire, Gods, and their planets? Necrons aren't damaged after waking up? Tau are...well. Tau are at their peak. Imperial Guard has the support of Space Marines? I mean, Orks alone could take down Halo, so.
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    AnubissWarior

    AnubissWarior

    10/1/2012 9:31:35 PM Permalink
    40K I will put my money on Necrons, they will handle the most job. Lets see-Machines made out of near-indestructable metal, who can and will teleport when damaged, carry hand mounted railguns, if i'm correct, they also have fully automatic ones. And they can transform life force(something soul like) into WMDs who are quite powerful. Are backed up by ''Things'' who are more powerful tan god and they have ultimate control over material universe. Oh and they also have a weapon which can counter halo. A hollow planet with map inside(forgot the name), and from that map, just by touching a star, you can make it go supernova. Oh and they also have complete immunity against-Halo bullets,halo effect and Pretty sure that they can kill Precursors since forerunners already killed them(that proves that they aren't invincible). Overall precursors shouldn't be included because we barely know anything about them. Oh and lets not forget about [url=http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Nightbringer]This badass[/url] Also, Necron lords can resurrect other necrons almost infinite number of times. And then there are these who badasses -[url=http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Tomb_Stalker]Tomb Stalker[/url] [url=http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Necron_Overlord]Necron Overlord[/url]
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    Macharius

    Macharius

    10/1/2012 8:33:02 PM Permalink
    [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SubtleSpartan I'll answer this quickly cause I cba to get into a big debate again, fighting the flood is essentially fighting yourself, they absorb the memories of those they assimilate. They can use everyhting their hosts can use and for every organic opponent they kill they gain a new soldier. They are the pinnacle of evolution, designed to wipe out organic life. No organic race could stop them at full power through combat alone. How they would fare against non-organics however, is aother matter...[/quote] Except the Flood will be absorbing standard rank-and-file soldiers who won't know very much. Heck, even if they consumed every citizen of a hive world they won't learn much. Many citizens don't even know if there are any other cities on the planet, or even if there is anything beyond the Hive! To answer the my earlier questions, there is no way for the Flood to navigate the Warp. Navigation requires the Navigator gene and a Gellar field, neither of which the Flood possess. In addition, Chaos has been known to overwhelm the fields. If the Gods want you dead, they kill you. Plus, the act of infection also strengthens Tzeentch as he is the god of change.
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